dvd clone or dvdshrink? [Archive]

senu

13-01-2006, 2:00 PM

dvd2one will "shrink" a dvd or dvd folder on HD from a larger size down to 4.7g as will DVD shrink
I used it in the past but first you need software to rip the DVD to bypass the obligatory copy protection built in to stop you from making backups.
I used dvd decrypter for that and dvd2one to shrink down the ripped dvd folders on the HD.
DVD shrink is more elegant in that it rips and shrinks all in one program.It is quite fast and you can vary PQ by including or removing unwanted languages etc
If you have decrypter installed ( at the same time) you can burn to dvd from iso files it creates. If nero is installed on your system it gets even better as nero can do the burning directly, via iso or via dvd folders that DVD shrink has produced
If you have a program like "Any DVD" on your system it makes the job of DVD Shrink even easier as the last version of DVD Shrink is now over a 9 months old now (DVD Decrypters' author has also been stopped from writing it since oct/nov 2005), and other newer copy protection software may keep you from using it
Clone DVD also able to benefit from having any DVD on the system but I would try DVD shrink first. Brilliant program!:smashin:
PS: DVD shrink is unlike the others free

KillerOfThreads

13-01-2006, 2:04 PM

Shrink with Decrypter if you can still find it.

senu

13-01-2006, 2:23 PM

If you cant Pm me Ill send it to you

GJC

13-01-2006, 2:30 PM

I am not sure this is the right forum but think it is the closest...

which program is better if I wanna write my original dvd's to single layer ones, in terms of pure picture quality... :hiya:

Shrink is great, but depending on your screen size it might not be the best option in terms of 'pure quality' as it will transcode information.

Take a look at DVD Rebuilder - google it.

mallidiv

13-01-2006, 8:27 PM

i am delighted with all these answers...
I do not care about time. i do not care about protection. I can use another program to bypass it...

Just compression quality after deleting extra langs and staff...

and I have a 720p projector so every tiny detail might show up...

senu

13-01-2006, 10:02 PM

DVD Shrink and Decrypter are free and any others which are not may be found and used as trial versions. Im sure my self or others on the forum may be able to help find any particularly difficult one. But realistically, you dont need that many .
Any program which compresses the DVDs to 4.7 from a larger size will to a certain degree degrade PQ.
With DVD shrink, the Author and experienced users state that the drop in PQ would be quite acceptable and barely noticable if you werent looking for it if compression of the main movie is not more than 30%.
Thankfully ,most arent and by getting rid of unwanted languages /subtitiles you can create more room for movie itself. Indeed Some dont even need "shrinking".
You may also want to reauthor the dvd and remove trailers and extras devoting more room for the movie itself. ( that is a bit of a task but is ok with 1 or 2 but not many DVDs)
It is very diificult for any body to tell you what program will give best PQ on your setup as it will depend on the mastering quality of original DVD, your DVD player as well as display ( the Projector at 720p :cool: ).
Also superbit DVDs when "shrunk" can look better than some " unshrunk" originals.
In order to have absolute control you would need to take the vob files and reencode them with canopus procoder altering bitrate and no of passes to get a smaller size file but retain more PQ. I suspect youll find this very tedious for the sake of that last ounce of PQ.
I can only suggest that you experiment with the various programs to find what PQ is acceptable to you and then start backing up in earnest

Big_Vern

14-01-2006, 12:12 AM

senu

14-01-2006, 9:02 AM

I found this thread some time back:

http://dvd.box.sk/articles8.php

Intervideo DVD Copy won but DVD shrink has the advantage of being free and I've never noticed too many problems with it.

Regards

Big_Vern
Very Interesting , thanks for bringing that to light. :smashin:
I wonder though if the copy parameters of the software bypass copy protection. Very unlikely especially as the recent DVDs employ newer ones and the testers used the Matrix ( which has CSS) . To avoid any legal queries, the testers are likely to have bypassed css in ways not mentioned in the article as the Software from the major companies out of the box do not
Perhaps the ideal ( for PQ) would probably be InterVideos' product with Any dvd in the background but to echo what you said, DVD Shrink is free ,hardly stretches system resources, is easy to use and in the real world quality issues are not really paramount .

PS: For DVD playback on the PC, I have Power DVD ( cyberlink) and Win DVD 6( intervideo) . Win DVD in absolute terms seems to have better mpeg decoding as in comparison it gives a better picture. Power DVD controls are handier and seems more user friendly, as such i use it more

beachbum

14-01-2006, 9:28 AM

SHRINK and then read this,

http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=49051

Very helpful!:)

BB

mambojambo

15-01-2006, 9:36 AM

for best pictue quality it has to be 6pass with dvd-rebuilder;)

senu

26-01-2006, 11:56 PM

A follow up: I recently found my kids liking "Madagascar " and playing it rather often.
On finding grubby jammy fingers on it, I decided the original had to go into a safe and a backup copy made for them:smashin:
DVD shrink wouldnt play ball :( : cyclical redundancy error What??!!.. the disc had been cleaned!:confused:
DVD decrypter didnt throw a wobbly ( to the shiny mirror like disc :rotfl: ) but I ended up with a dvd folder 6.4G : no way that would fit onto a 4.7.G Disc
I gingerly imported the folder into Dvd shrink in anticipation : this time a vob was badly referenced!( ?? DVD ROM content ):thumbsdow
Ultimately DVD Shrinks' younger brother saved the day: Hes' called Nero recode. It was able to compress the folder to 4.7.
The compression was only 15% but PQ drop was noticable on the 32" LCD (Phillips 9830) on close look but not from afar.
The children watch it on thier older 25" crt and were more than happy with it: I kept the original safe : Job done.:thumbsup:

The moral: (1)Sometimes you need more than one tool to achieve the goal

(2) Im not sure why hollywood try so hard to prevent single backups like this:
Its a hassle, the PQ tends not to be pristine ( compared to a really good original) and at those prices (£12-19 for a DVD) nobody is going to buy 2 copies!:suicide:

macca_mck

27-01-2006, 11:16 AM

I personally use DVDShrink simply for its ease of re-authoring and the fact that it does a good job. I sometimes use DVDDecrypter when (and very rarely) shrink throws a wobbly. I also use Elby CloneDVD as it is excellent at reauthoring episodic DVD's like BBC DVDs with episodes.

nwgarratt

27-01-2006, 3:22 PM

senu

28-01-2006, 9:36 AM

Madagascar and several other DVD's have Arcoss Protection (Sony/Columbia Tristar). There are several programs that take care of it including AnyDVD and DVDFAB Decrypter.

However, the best way is to use a plugin for Pgcedit which creates a PSL file and it is imported into DVD Decrypter. The DVD is then fully ripped and imported into Shrink. Teh big advantage is that it will do all Arcoss DVD past, present and future. AnyDVD and DVDFAB Decrypter has to be updated for particular DVD's.
........
Many Thanks for that .
I do have a more recent version of Any DVD and that may be why Decrypter didnt throw a wobbly( but not why shrink did) . I must admit I had come across the link you put but took one look and went
" :god: too complicated".
Looking again its probably better to have a easy going look when one doesnt need it in a hurry

nwgarratt

28-01-2006, 2:01 PM

It isn't complicated. The wizard shows every step and it is 95% automated by the wizard itself. You just need to do this

Rip with DVD Decrypter (DVDD) normally and when a I/O error occurs press abort. It will skip the VOB and do the rest of the disc.

A DVD Decrypter log is created which is automaticaly put into pgcedit.

A PSL file is created by the wizard.

Wizard loads DVDD and import the psl file.

Rip the VOB file that was a problem (and skip the rest of the DVD).

The wizard then loads fixvts which scans the DVD and fixes it (otherwise a blank screen will occur before the film starts).

Wizard will load the DVD into Shrink.

mhcq2002

28-01-2006, 2:49 PM

I have both on my machine but I only every use Shrink.

senu

29-01-2006, 3:50 PM

I have both on my machine but I only every use Shrink.

Yeah.. Shrink is easy to use and would normally be a first choice "all in one" . However having not being updated for a while , it is now far from invincible and only in conjuntion with AnyDVD is it 90-95% able.
It is for those remaining 5-7% Discs where it obstinately says no that DVDD and (as suggested above) Pgcedit show thier worth.

nwgarratt

29-01-2006, 4:24 PM

Arcoss is a lot more common with R1 DVD than with R2. I have R2 of some DVD's which are not Arcoss due to being released by a non Sony company. Bourne Supremacy is a good example. The R1 has Arcoss but the R2 does not.

The only R2 ones I have are Resident Evil 2, Stealth and Kung Fu Hustle. The are also red in colour.

mallidiv

03-02-2006, 7:08 PM

well I stick to the test done in dvd.box.sk with the link in the 1st page of the forum...
And I see all people using DVD shrink , even when in that test it got the last place (and if you check the pictures and it is true it is convincing),
not even Clone DVD which I find really easier to use, and noone mentions intervideo DVD copy which is by far a winner (IF the pictures r true)

what is going on? noone interested in the best quality available?
I have all 3 now (I use dvd fab decrypter to get the dvd files on my hard disk without compression at all) and am frustrated with intervideo... (explained in another thread)

I see almost everyone using DVD shrink... why? :clap:

nwgarratt

03-02-2006, 7:40 PM

That review is so bad it is laughable. It is really old now and they couldn't even get the version correct for Shrink. You cannot get accurate comparisons using stills. The best way to compare is to use small video clips.

Shrink is the best transcoder (compresses). If you want the best quality then a transcoder is not the right way to go. You need something like DVD Rebuilder (free) and use a Encoder such as HCEnc with it (also free). It takes many many hours over a transcoder though as the quality will be better.

Shrink 3.2 has Quality settings that other transcoders do not have.

senu

03-02-2006, 11:50 PM

all)
I see almost everyone using DVD shrink... why? :clap:
It is free, mostly works , and is fast and PQ is very acceptable if not pristine
With DVD shrink, If you dont accept the automatic compression, ie use custom, you can enhance the main movie PQ at the expense of Menu and Extra dvd material nudging the compression ratio to as near as 100% as possible (ie none).
Unless you buy superbit DVDs or are willing to try dual layer, there will always be a slight hit in PQ. This "slightness" will be unnoticable, or exagerrated depending on your DVD player or Display set.
The quest for greatest quality PQ is (in the case of DVD backups) only a close second in priority to the ease and convenience of doing it ( the backup).
If absolute PQ is of paramount importance , maybe backing up is not an option.

Xstyle

21-01-2007, 1:13 PM

DVD shrink ...It is quite fast and you can vary PQ by including or removing unwanted languages etc

...by getting rid of unwanted languages /subtitiles you can create more room for movie itself. Indeed Some dont even need "shrinking".
You may also want to reauthor the dvd and remove trailers and extras devoting more room for the movie itself. ( that is a bit of a task but is ok with 1 or 2 but not many DVDs)

How?? A friend has just got hold of Shrink (v.2004), and never used it. I have no idea either!

:confused:

mallidiv

22-01-2007, 8:18 PM

well... this post has goooone toooo old and many have changed...

from that time I am now using DVD-RB (rebuilder) which takes loads of time but I think it is for the good...

I am now looking (not too hard) for a way to make dvd's into xvid... and i ll just go to digital digest i think...

Singh400

22-01-2007, 8:24 PM

DVDShrink - If I'm doing a whole backup.
RipIt4Me - If DVDShrink can't handle the DVD, usually due to newer encryption such as ARccOS or RipGuard.
DVD Decrypter - If I want to rip/demux a selected stream/cell/file
AutoGK - If I want to convert DVD into AVI.

Xstyle

22-01-2007, 8:53 PM

Seen this how to use DVDshrink:
http://www.dvdshrink.org/how.html

The latest "current stable version" is: 3.2.0.15.
Can anybody send me this one please?

Cheers

senu

23-01-2007, 2:02 PM

How?? A friend has just got hold of Shrink (v.2004), and never used it. I have no idea either!

:confused:

Hmm...:) Il see if i can locate the tutorial for re-authoring, though its fairly simple when you know how :the downside is that you lose your menu

But for getting rid of languages/ subtitiles it is a simple matter of " unticking" ( to deselect them) in making your backup
See Here (http://www.download-dvdshrink.com/dvdshrink_guide.asp)

Xstyle

15-02-2007, 10:13 AM

Hmm...:) Il see if i can locate the tutorial for re-authoring, though its fairly simple when you know how :the downside is that you lose your menu

But for getting rid of languages/ subtitiles it is a simple matter of " unticking" ( to deselect them) in making your backup
See Here (http://www.download-dvdshrink.com/dvdshrink_guide.asp)

Thanks for your help Senu!! :thumbsup:

I successfully backed up my Batman Begins SE, using the guide you linked to...

First time of trying, and after checking it afterwards I shouldn't have "still pictured" the lil parts of the root menu, like the lil clip before the chapters come up, or before the Trailer...

I compressed everything else, removed the additional languages and subtitles (except English) and the main movie compression was 66.9% I think. Is that good?? That was the highest I could get it. It looks fantastic still as the Batman print was top notch in the first place.

I'd like to have removed the annoying FACT, and other languages menu at the beginning though ... instead of just "still picturing" these too... is that by way of re-authoring? (how?)

(This will stop my brother scratching up my disk when I lend it to him!!)

Cheers!

senu

15-02-2007, 12:23 PM

Thanks for your help Senu!!
I successfully backed up my Batman Begins SE, using the guide you linked to...
:smashin:

I compressed everything else, removed the additional languages and subtitles (except English) and the main movie compression was 66.9% I think. Is that good?? That was the highest I could get it. It looks fantastic still as the Batman print was top notch in the first place.
70% and above is ideal but unless you are watching it on a 42" screen close up almost all non super high speed scenes should be fine

I'd like to have removed the annoying FACT, and other languages menu at the beginning though ... instead of just "still picturing" these too... is that by way of re-authoring? (how?)
It is possible but difficult. Stopping the play or removing some of these "trailers" are called "Prohibited user operations".

I'm sure you can do an online search regarding this this as there is that fine line between backing up and tools for " piracy" (which we are not allowed to discuss here;) )

Suffice to say that you can remove all these and the menus , by backing up only the movie, this might make it more basic but without the things you don't want

Xstyle

15-02-2007, 12:34 PM

Suffice to say that you can remove all these and the menus , by backing up only the movie, this might make it more basic but without the things you don't want

No defo not into piracy!! :nono:

How would I just back up the movie then, without the other content?

...and yes, who has less than a 42" screen these days (on here anyway!!) :rotfl:

senu

15-02-2007, 1:15 PM

No defo not into piracy!! :nono:

How would I just back up the movie then, without the other content?

...and yes, who has less than a 42" screen these days (on here anyway!!) :rotfl:

:rotfl: :grin: :laugh:

Dont worry Im not the piracy Police!! I have loads of backups too mainly for the kids But also for myself because Im on the road a lot and want to leave the originals at home rather than buy multiple copies of the same disc:devil:

The Forum rules frown at expantiating on tools which may be used for circumventing the manufacturers anti-copy methods.

One certainly respects the Forums rules while still accepting that all this "you cant make a backup" stance by Hollywood is :censored: :suicide:

When you load your disc in DVD Shrink, choose reauthor and then only drag from the right pane to the left what you want: Dont chose the menu items (they wont work anyway) and if there are extras you don't think much of, just omit them
Reauthoring this way gives you complete control on what gets onto your disc but if you want a Menu with linked chapters you'll have to use software like Movie factory ( linked in the next post) and make them yourselfhttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/391234960_dfa584300a_o.jpg

You can( check) every title you've dragged from right to left individually to make sure you want it in before creating the DVD. If you don't want it its easy to just delete.The other tools on the left pane allow you to specify the order (or change the order) of titles , delete or trim individual titles by specifying new start, stop points ( useful to remove uninteresting material which is not a standalone video clip)
Hope this helps:grin:

senu

15-02-2007, 2:27 PM

The other possibility is to Import the backed up DVD (or DVD folder) into Ulead Movie Factory (http://www.ulead.co.uk/dmf/) and re author a DVD from within there.
Although you lose the original Menu , you also lose anything you didnt want
You can download a trail version or Pm me for a Full Ver 4 ( no longer in use)

Xstyle

16-02-2007, 2:38 PM

I just reauthored my disc of Finding Nemo, at 99% compression.
Included the THX trailer from the menu section and a another lil clip of Doreen swimming and staring at the screen, and then the film.

(then I saw this post! ha!)

...The other tools on the left pane allow you to specify the order (or change the order) of titles , delete or trim individual titles by specifying new start, stop points ( useful to remove uninteresting material which is not a standalone video clip)
Hope this helps:grin:

Cool, I wasn't aware of this! Thanks!!

Just a couple more questions pls:

DVD Shrink:
You can replace some material with a standalone image.
I tried this, but when I play the disc, the image is no where to be seen??

DVD Dycryptor:
In the log when burning a back-up, it says "Burn Proof Enabled"
Does this mean you are unable to burn the back-up again?? (unless you have DVD Shrink et al) I mean you can't do a 1-1 copy of the back-up?

senu

16-02-2007, 4:10 PM

I just reauthored my disc of Finding Nemo, at 99% compression.
Included the THX trailer from the menu section and a another lil clip of Doreen swimming and staring at the screen, and then the film.
(then I saw this post! ha!)
Cool, I wasn't aware of this! Thanks!!
Just a couple more questions pls:
DVD Shrink:
You can replace some material with a standalone image.
I tried this, but when I play the disc, the image is no where to be seen??
TBH never tried it in DVDS but easily possible in MovieFactory since you can use it to make up a DVD made from different sources including Still Image slide shows, videos from camcorder, clips off backup DVDs ect, infact anything valid for a DVD video including music

DVD Dycryptor:
In the log when burning a back-up, it says "Burn Proof Enabled"
Does this mean you are unable to burn the back-up again?? (unless you have DVD Shrink et al) I mean you can't do a 1-1 copy of the back-up?

No ...:) nothing whatsoever to do with your ability to do whatever you wanted with the backed up copy

The term "burn proof" is now a standard term for software and hardware which feature a "Buffer Underun Prevention .Technology in which a buffer system is used to prevent errors in the burning sytem leading to wasted discs
It used to be the big selling point for burners and software as when it was introduced, there was a big drop in the no of ruined discs .: now thankfully a lot less commomn
This was due to underrunning of the "burn buffer" which occurred when the speed at which data was being presented to the burner was too slow compared to speed of burn: the buffer would then empty and with nothing more to write, the burn process fail leading to a wasted disc.

Xstyle

17-02-2007, 11:30 AM

So when recording from ISO image to a disc, does DVD Dycryptor have any advantage over any other recording software, like Nero, or (sony) Sonicstage?

senu

17-02-2007, 12:20 PM

So when recording from ISO image to a disc, does DVD Dycryptor have any advantage over any other recording software, like Nero, or (sony) Sonicstage?

No.. ..but it is capable, free and uses up very minimal system resources

..and I dont really rate Sonic stage as such It is (IMHO) Sonys version of DRM:(

ISO images can be turned to disc by any capable burning software including Roxio's programs
Nero makes proprietary images with *.nrg ext which if renamed *.iso behave just like normal iso image
You can mount *.nrg and ISO files with Neros "Image Drive" as if they were physical optical discs ( very handy in a laptop to watch videos or run files off a "virtual" disc which can be on a portable external HDD

mallidiv

17-02-2007, 9:05 PM

where it started where it is now...
I am getting you back into order... :clap: :thumbsup:

well I had another post about that...
I already said I am using Rebuilder... and I made a test with Basic Instict 2 and superman returns...

I made it into single layer DVD without the menus and extras with Clone DVD and rebuilder... and I could not spot the difference...

which is fine and makes me happy... I should be happy for not seeing degration in PQ :) But I still use rebuilder... i make it work through the night... Just to have in mind that I get a better compression...

is there a difference after all?
I am watching at 90" from my 720p PJ (who has less than 42 these days?) I would say... who compensates for less than 90"?

Xstyle

19-02-2007, 6:17 PM

..and I dont really rate Sonic stage as such It is (IMHO) Sonys version of DRM:(

Neither do I now!! Images burned via Sonicstage RecordNow are saved as "RecordNow! Image File" ... and do not show up as ".iso files" so I am unable to transfer them to another hard-drive using other software only.
:(

Here's one that pickles me!!!

I just reauthored & backed up The Incredibles to a normal SL 4.7gb disk.
However when I insert the disk into the pc, it shows its size as 7gb !!!!

How does that work?????????????? :devil:

EDIT:
It's now reverted back down to normal 4.35gb :cuckoo: