Toshiba 46WM48P OWNERS only.

[deltafx]

is it a good buy or not .?seems to be four or five guys that are not happy
with this set. how many have the set and are happy.?WE HAVE ALL SEEN
THIS TV SET UP IN THE SHOPS NO NOT THE BEST PICTURE..
iam still thinking about buying .anyone have any good things to say.??

[Razor]

Toshiba 46WM48P OWNERS only

[Elephant Man]

Only if you like oil paintings

[KableMan]

take my advice and steer well clear - if you're determined to go ahead though I wish you'd come forward last week as you could have bought mine and saved me a £300 re-stocking fee on a brand new set!

Sharpness - Yes, connectivity - Yes, Sound - Yes, Looks - Yes, vibrant colours - Yes BUT overall everyday watchability and PQ on all sources RF, digital, DVD and even HD a BIG

If you are the kind of person who has gone out of their way to research DLP and understand the technology and then put your hand in your pocket and invest a sizeable amount of money in this "next generation" technology in order to get the best AV experience from your large and growing DVD collection and you are the kind of person who can spot the difference between composite and RGB scart and component connection or instantly know when a TV is in the wrong aspect ratio then chances are you have high expectations and will most definately spot the flaws in this TV.

The next question is whether or not you are the kind of person who can live with it - well ask yourself if you can block out an annoying glitch that you can see anytime you want - imagine a spot that's always there or a flickering light or image or remember when you had a bad RF feed into your TV at college - if you can't stand or put up with such things then this'll drive you nuts. The blur is there most of the time on "normal" TV (RF or digital), its there on most DVDs for a percentage of the time and its there in games hooked up via VGA and its there in HD too.

I am this kind of person and this TV just wasn't good enough for me. I'd rather pay £300 to get rid of it out of my life and wait until I find something better.

You should put a vote at the top of this thread - put me down for a definate - save your money even if it means waiting a while - maybe the next generation from Toshiba that soni spotted in this month's HCC will be a better buy.

Sorry if this upsets some people but I wish someone had given me this advice before I bought and spelt it out for me so I knew exactly what I was getting myself into.

Cheers
KableMan

[jrl]

it only cost me £100 to get mine sent back !!!, picture AWFUL ,news especially bad[outside broadcasts ] faces BAD, generally unaceptable,at least for me,why does eveyone make excuses about poor quality feeds ect my old CRT rear pro [42 in]
never made such a mess out of poor feeds why should a supposedly much improved
technology be so bad at it? i had previously a samsung sp 42 3lhx a much better set,only returned because of damaged screen surround [wish id kept it] DONT BUY A LOAD OF TOSH im with KableMan on this

[Bacus]

Originally Posted by deltafx

is it a good buy or not .?seems to be four or five guys that are not happy
with this set. how many have the set and are happy.?WE HAVE ALL SEEN
THIS TV SET UP IN THE SHOPS NO NOT THE BEST PICTURE..
iam still thinking about buying .anyone have any good things to say.??

Get a sammy 50" !!

[dalespitfire]

Mines still fine!

Probably jinxed the bloody thing now!

[supermackem]

Well im more happy than i was a few weeks ago. The oil painting has all but gone for me now, just a tad dithering now and then. Is it perfect no am i glad i bought it yes alittle. Would i recommend someone buy one, well only if they ask the seller if they can return said tv if you notice the problems.

This tv has been a real rollercoaster for me. When i first got it i noticed all the problems oil painting dithering, and i just wanted to smash the thing up. But after a extended use of the tv now most of the problems have gone. Still not perfect as i would want it to be but alot better.

So to sum up only buy the tv if you can return it and get your money back without hassel. Demo the tv in your home with your av gear and if you see the oil painting dithering blur effect return and invest in another model.

[deltafx]

Originally Posted by dalespitfire

Mines still fine!

Probably jinxed the bloody thing now!

wot no probelms .? all good thats one then.?

[mrmoo]

I have one connected to a HTPC. I've used all types of signal PAL NTSC DivX, all the resolutions and it does have occasional panning blurs especially with low resolution feeds like sky+. I might notice one if I'm looking once every couple of days. Otherwise mines running DVD's upscaled from 720 to 1920x1080i and the picture is amazing. I demo-ed a few sets before I bought one and I still think it has a brilliant picture. If I was in the market for a set at the moment I'd still buy one, but the 52". Some people shout louder than others, personally I could care less about the naysayers, if I thought it had a bad picture it would go back. I'm very happy with mine so far. IMHO you should demo the set and make an opinion based on what you see not what you read. Just educate yourself on the potential problems and go looking.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by mrmoo

IMHO you should demo the set and make an opinion based on what you see not what you read. Just educate yourself on the potential problems and go looking.

Hello Mrmoo

Nice to see you about again.

Delafx

Mrmoo is right in what he is saying, spend your time viewing the sets with as much material as possible. Take good and bad viewing material so you can see the set at its best or worst. Its no good having a TV that is amazing on excellent sources but unwatchable on poor sources as most of the UK viewing quality is poor. ITV is one of the worst for such a large channel.

Also beware of HD demos as many people think this is normal SD standard definition tv, in fact most people don't know what HD is. HD will blow you away with picture quality, just don't be fooled into thinking its a normal dvd or tv channel.

Insit that a good dvd player is used with a comoponent or DVI/HDMI connection. The DVI/HDMI is the best connection and will have less noise apparent on the screen, if you are buying a dvd player to partner your set bare this in mind. If not the component connection will do fine.

The major faults of all the sets are posted in the sticky link below.

DLP Problems, solutions and workrounds

It basically covers all the sets. Armed with that knowledge demo the sets and try and see if these faults occur. If they do and it bothers you walk away, it will bother you even more once you've paid for it and its sat in your lounge.

Good luck I hope you find what you want.

[KableMan]

Originally Posted by Razor

It basically covers all the sets. Armed with that knowledge demo the sets and try and see if these faults occur. If they do and it bothers you walk away, it will bother you even more once you've paid for it and its sat in your lounge.

Wise words Razor and I totally agree with your points - but according to mrmoo if it did bother you you'd just end up a loud mouthed naysayer like me...

From my viewpoint mrmoo I used your excellent picture posts to help convince myself, together with a well informed demo (well i thought so at the time), to buy the Toshiba and i found myself with a lemon. Your latest post looks impressive - but then the Toshiba is fabulous on stills and desktops and I never had problems on CGI movies - the madagascar 720p demo was sublime. I can't help but try to advise others not to make the same mistake as me - my feedback is honest - but deltafx you must make up your own mind.

I spoke with Trading Standards the other day and they summed it up nicely - "Buyer Beware". I'm now looking at the 50" Samsung and i'm posting lots of questions but i'm also traveling around doing demos too to help me make a more informed decision. The most important thing this time around though will be the returns policy of the company i'm buying from!

Good Luck
KableMan

[soni]

Originally Posted by KableMan

Wise words Razor and I totally agree with your points - but according to mrmoo if it did bother you you'd just end up a loud mouthed naysayer like me...

From my viewpoint mrmoo I used your excellent picture posts to help convince myself, together with a well informed demo (well i thought so at the time), to buy the Toshiba and i found myself with a lemon. Your latest post looks impressive - but then the Toshiba is fabulous on stills and desktops and I never had problems on CGI movies - the madagascar 720p demo was sublime. I can't help but try to advise others not to make the same mistake as me - my feedback is honest - but deltafx you must make up your own mind.

I spoke with Trading Standards the other day and they summed it up nicely - "Buyer Beware". I'm now looking at the 50" Samsung and i'm posting lots of questions but i'm also traveling around doing demos too to help me make a more informed decision. The most important thing this time around though will be the returns policy of the company i'm buying from!

Good Luck
KableMan

I agree with Kablemans comments word for word!

P.S. I'm one of the other 'loud mouthed naysayers'

[mrmoo]

Originally Posted by KableMan

From my viewpoint mrmoo I used your excellent picture posts to help convince myself, together with a well informed demo (well i thought so at the time), to buy the Toshiba and i found myself with a lemon. Your latest post looks impressive - but then the Toshiba is fabulous on stills and desktops and I never had problems on CGI movies

I can't help but try to advise others not to make the same mistake as me - my feedback is honest - but deltafx you must make up your own mind.

I'd like to think that I was big enough to ignore this kind of nonsense, I'm not. You have made my point. If you feel so inclined to sit and type this kind of response prey continue. I resent that you not so subtly imply I would mislead or that I am in anyway dishonest or that I would fail to point out that the set had any problems. If you can be bothered, search back and read my posts. I've never claimed the set was perfect; I have gone to lengths to detail exactly what I've seen. In point of fact I have always stressed looking for yourself.

Has it ever occurred to you that not everyone with this set has the same problems as you? Or that maybe we don't actually see the same faults?

I stand by every comment I ever made about this set. Mine is not a lemon. It portrays moving images, not just stills, very well thank you. That is my honest opinion; I am not trying to persuade anyone to buy this set. I refrain from making comment on a lot of the posts for this very reason. You have gone a long way to reaffirmed my suspicions about certain individuals that are more interested in being heard and slagging of anyone that doesn’t agree with them. Making it personal, when did I use your name?

You know what you can do.

[Razor]

Has anyone tried the Tosh with an external scaler such as the iscan?

http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_ishdplus.html

Let the scaler do the work and output to the Tosh, if not a scaler then a pc with similar software. I could be p*ssing in the wind but its just a thought.