TOSHIBA 48" DLP TV - SEEN TODAY IN COMET.....

[whiteswan]

Hi

Just got back from Comet Ashton U Lyne Gtr Mcr and they have the Tosh dlp tv on display - only fed with a crappy rf signal though.

But the styling is very very sleek with a stand to match - is this the same spec as the sagem optoma etc - ie will it do hi def etc.

Cant find anything on the web - does anybody have any links?

Thanks

Dave, Oldham,.

[whiteswan]

Forgot to say.............

The price was £1999.99.

Dave

[welsh113]

Forgot to say.............

The price was £1999.99.

Dave
It is a HD set and it is 46 inch not 48

[Kramer]

Moved to DLP TV forum.

[thekingbeyond]

Is this the one in comet?

http://www.ebuyer.co.uk/customer/products/?rb=3000352485&action=c2hvd3N1YmNhdGVnb3J5X3BhZ2U=&subcat_uid=880


http://www.robinsonselectric.co.uk/toshiba.asp

TOSHIBA 46WM48P 46" DLP TV, HDMI Connectivity, High Definition Ready, "Real Digital" Picture Processing, 1000:1 Contrast Ratio £1709.78

Nice looking tv

[AV Junky]

The contrast value is a mistake. Should be at least 2000:1. If it has the HD2+ chip (like the US equivalent), then it is more like 2500:1.

[whiteswan]

Yes King thats the same one..............

Dave, Oldham.

[thekingbeyond]

that is one nice looking rear pro, was thinking about the optima one, now ill have to go for a demo of the toshiba even though its 4 inch smaller

[whiteswan]

WELL

I could not resist and went to Costco at Haydock and bought one this morning - they have 2 left.

£1580.00 with a 3 year warranty - they told me they do not repair these if they go faulty - they just collect and refund.

Gonna set it up now.....................

Dave (Sick of building cabinets)

[mikemccon]

Whiteswan

WOW - that is one seriously low price for the spec

Please post your findings as soon as you've had a chance to test it.

I am very tempted :zonked: (will have to get a demo first of course!)

[whiteswan]

Well set up and looks brilliant..........

Just ordered hi def pack for my xbox from lik sang for some hdtv stuff next week!

Go and buy one..............Comet wanted £500.00 on top of the £2000 for the 3 year warranty!

So this works out nearly £1000 cheaper than Comet.

Dave, Oldham.

[TonyA]

Hi Whiteswan,

Just been looking at the toshiba catalogue, and this set does look good (and a bargain at the price you got it for!).

What's the picture like on Sky Digital (if you have it), and DVD?

T.

[whiteswan]

Sky Digital is superb - both rgb input are very very good.

Component is excellent on av4 as well I have my JVC Dvd Recorder on this input.

Dave

[philangst]

Whats the viewing angles like on this set? Some RPTVs I have seen (in Comet etc) look a lot less bright when viewed from wider angle or from above?

[whiteswan]

The viewing angle from side to side is the same as a crt - honest you can sit off to the left or right and it doesnt affect the picture whatsoever.

When u stand up and look down at the set the picture darkens - but I cant see this being a problem unless u have them chairs that the umpires sit on at Wimbledon in your lounge.

Dave, Oldham.

[dts_boy]

i would love to see some pics of this toshiba - can anyone who has one post some please? i was thinking of a pioneer plasma, but was also thinking of a sim2 rear projection tv. i am really confised now as i could get the toshiba and then put the rest of the money into a dvd/hdd recorder or just blow the lot on the more expensive alternative - which would give the better picture?

[Lizzard]

Yes some picture would be nice.

[whiteswan]

Heres a pic............

http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/169_224421.html

From Comet website..........but buy from Costco.

Dave

[whiteswan]

Dont forget the Tosh price includes a stand whereas I think the Sagem etc the stand is extra.

Dave.

[trickas]

im just going to buy one
can some one that owns one tell me picture quality
and does it have HD2+ chip
thanks steve :smashin:

[marts00]

Sagem/optoma stand looks too high anyway.Get the optoma and get the extra 4" screen size

[whiteswan]

Trickas

it doeshave hd2+ chip in it.

The pic quality is outstanding.

Dave, Oldham.

[Chris5]

only 6 segment wheel though, The Optima has a 7 segment wheel (extra dark green segment that removes the requirement for black dot dithering that plasma people have complained about)

[timanfiya]

Anyone know of anywhere thats doing a buy now pay later option on the toshiba, other than comet?

Anyone have any idea of the difference in picture quality between the tosh and the LG DLP SZ21R?

[Billy Hunt]

http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/dyn_imgs/prods/prod_large/224421.jpg
I'm not a fan of speakers on the side but it's a nice looking set

[timanfiya]

Any one know if the speakers are detachable.??? A bit to big for my unit with them.

[whiteswan]

Nope they r not detatchable..............

Dave, Oldham.

[Riggs]

The one you got from Costco - is it def. the 48P and not the 84P?

Thanks

[Lizzard]

It's only 5-segment wheel and lacks Faroudja, big dissapointment i think just to save costs....

[whiteswan]

Its the 46wm48 if that helps............

Dave, Oldham.

[mfairclough]

Optoma RD50 has a 6 segment wheel (technician at Optoma UK told me this).
hey tried 7 and 8 segment wheels but found that the 6 segment wheel worked best for PAL

[welsh113]

Optoma RD50 has a 6 segment wheel (technician at Optoma UK told me this).
hey tried 7 and 8 segment wheels but found that the 6 segment wheel worked best for PAL
the toshiba has a 6 colour wheel as does the optoma in the states where the debate between which one is best between 7 and 6 and even 8 it is all a toss up and some are better at this and some better at that but alot are going back to the 6 colour wheel...............and the Faroudja chip has its problems too it is not the miracle chip that everyone makes it out to be........
it is regarded as one of the best when properly implemented though but even still lacks refinement on some very basic tasks..............

[Riggs]

thanks whiteswan - just i heard the 84P doesn't do pc input...

I'm struggling to pick between the Sagem and the Tosh - need to hear a few more reports from tosh owners before i make up my mind...

With the Tosh what's the sound quality like from the onboard speakers?

[Chris5]

here is my 2 pennies worth

The RD50 model in the states equates to the axium over here (6 colour old hd2 chipset)
the RD50A model in the states relates to our RD50 (7 colour wheel - extra green segment) with new hd2+ chipset.
The Tosh is (6 colour, as it states in the brochure) and is also new hm2+

[plaver]

It's only 5-segment wheel and lacks Faroudja, big dissapointment i think just to save costs....

:hiya: According to Toshiba lastest brouchure, the 46WM48 and the 52WM48 come with 6 segment wheel :clap:

I can't find any mention of Faroudja though :(

[Lizzard]

:hiya: According to Toshiba lastest brouchure, the 46WM48 and the 52WM48 come with 6 segment wheel :clap:

I can't find any mention of Faroudja though :(

Right, but anyway it's not as good as the Optoma RD50 which can give rainbows and headache.

No reason to choose 6-segment wheel but to lower productions costs.

I will check out the Optoma, seems to be the top of the line DLP right now.

[whiteswan]

Just tonight managed to plug my pc into my Tosh..............and WOW!

Its like the clearest of clear 46" monitors!

Everythings crisp and just sooooooooooo detailed.

Now as I understand it u only get hdtv from the component inputs on the Tosh..............but hooking up thru the pc monitor input and playing some hd trailers and some TV eps thru it - I was blown away!

No fiddling about with the set at all....just plugged in and away it went.

Now can someone help me out.................how on earth do I feed the set with hi def signal from my pc?

Can I get a lead from my pc to component input on Tosh?

Is the pc input infact displaying hd stuff as hd?

Can I link my xbox upto tv with hi def pack - put a wireless network thing on the back of the xbox and stream the hd stuff from my pc (which is in another room?)

HELP SOMEBODY................I want that quality back!

Dave, Oldham.

BTW I have a Medion 8083 pc that is on 24-7.

[Spyro]

Just seen the 46" Tosh at Costco W. Thurrock. The warranty is only 12 months not 3 years. Replacement lamps are £350-400. Picture quality from the rf input was comparable to the adjacent crt set. Much better than the 42" Philips plasma that was also on display.

[whiteswan]

Hi

Costco give a 3 yr warranty with ALL electrical products.

I asked when I bought mine (I have been a member for 6 years) - and it is wrote on the reciept.

The pic on analogue is less forgiving than a good feed from Sky Plus etc...........

I did plug my PC into the monitor input on the tv last night.....and was blown away.

Dave, Oldham.

[welsh113]

Hi

Costco give a 3 yr warranty with ALL electrical products.

I asked when I bought mine (I have been a member for 6 years) - and it is wrote on the reciept.

The pic on analogue is less forgiving than a good feed from Sky Plus etc...........

I did plug my PC into the monitor input on the tv last night.....and was blown away.

Dave, Oldham.
as a member of costco u could take it back in five years and still get a full refund (as long as u stay a member) and as far as telling people to buy a optoma over a tosh or vise versa each tellie has its merits the tosh is a beautiful look telly and the picture is awesome(on good sources) and it is 500 pound cheaper and if u factor in the stand 700 pound so it makes choosing on or the other difficult!! easy for me with the looks and price alone it was a no brainer for me anyways...........

[timanfiya]

HI, any of you guys who owns one of these know the right contrast ratio??

AV JUncky said on page one of the thread that the 1000:1 was a mistake and should be more like 2000:1 but eyerywhere I've seen it advertised and even on the toshiba website it is down as 1000:1.

Just want to see if it gives similar quality with contast in comparison with a plasma at 3000:1.

Cheers for any info guys.

[Alain75]

Just tonight managed to plug my pc into my Tosh..............and WOW!

Its like the clearest of clear 46" monitors!

Everythings crisp and just sooooooooooo detailed.

Now as I understand it u only get hdtv from the component inputs on the Tosh..............but hooking up thru the pc monitor input and playing some hd trailers and some TV eps thru it - I was blown away!

No fiddling about with the set at all....just plugged in and away it went.

Now can someone help me out.................how on earth do I feed the set with hi def signal from my pc?

Can I get a lead from my pc to component input on Tosh?

Is the pc input infact displaying hd stuff as hd?

Can I link my xbox upto tv with hi def pack - put a wireless network thing on the back of the xbox and stream the hd stuff from my pc (which is in another room?)

HELP SOMEBODY................I want that quality back!

Dave, Oldham.

BTW I have a Medion 8083 pc that is on 24-7.

Wow, sounds good !! :)

Did you use the HDMI entry or the VGA one to connect it ?

[David Allen]

Hi

Whiteswan - yes are totally correct about the price and the 3 year warrenty at Costco. they are brill - forget Currys, Comet et all! But you have to pay to join the club.

Are you still happy, have you tried a HD 1080 input yet?

I've just ordered the Samsung 46 inch HD DLP TV and its costing me £2100 with 5 year warrently. The Samsugn 50 inch at Currys is a whopping £3500 plus £1300 for the 5 year warrenty; so Costco is the place to shop.

They have Tosh's in the Birmingham branch - sod it why did I have to order the Sami so fast !!

Dave

[Spyro]

Double checked Costcos warranty with the Tosh at their head office in Watford 01923 225449. They only give 12 months warranty on the Tosh DLP and also Plasmas!! If you have it written on the receipt, (printed out as a separate 3 year warrant receipt with reference no. etc and stapled into the Costco 3yr warranty folder) then I guess they are legally obliged to honour it. Maybe they did this before they realised what the set was? If the store in Oldham is contradicting this I would prefer to buy it with a 3 year warranty.

[Demon]

Right, but anyway it's not as good as the Optoma RD50 which can give rainbows and headache.

No reason to choose 6-segment wheel but to lower productions costs.

I will check out the Optoma, seems to be the top of the line DLP right now.


I've been looking at DLP's for a while.. and this whole 6 or 7 segment wheel issue comes up time and time again..

To say the choice of 6 segment wheel is 'bad' is not true!!

The only reason that some manufacturers have a 7th segment is try and increase the dynamic range, and give more 'dark detail' and better colour/luminance graduation....
BUT, have an extra segment makes rainbows WORSE.. not better.. there are a few aritcles on this on the web, it has something to do with the extra segment causing the other 6 to be displayed for less time...

Toshiba have taken a different approach, and don't use Faroudja DCDi, for a damn good reason.. they have there own high res motion image engine... in some respects this has some features that DCDi lack, and conversely I am sure the DCDi is better in other respects, but the difference must be neither here or there.. since the reviews of the 52hm84 which uses the same TALEN engine/ HD2+ chip as the 46WM48 (although the 46WM48 should benefit from latest software changes, seem to think it stands up very very well to many DCDi/HD2+ sets..

One of the good things with the Toshiba image processing, is they've paid particular attention to the colour gaduation/dark level detail by actually using the image processor to improve this, rather then having to use an extra segment on the wheel, and increase the chance of rainbows..

I don't doubt the RD50 has better connectivity, and their implementation of the DCDi and HD2+ is excellent.. but I suspect that with DVD and HD material it'll be nigh on impossible to see any major difference with any good HD2+ set..


Mind you, until I see them all in the Flesh, I am still only 'looking' after seeing the Sammy 50L7 / Sagem 50", and how artefacted SD material is, with the sammy managing to keep terrible artefacts, and manage to soften the picture to make it look hazy, is to me, awful, but each to their own!!

[Krishna]

Attention all fellow forum members: found this really cool and "in plain English" guide on HDTV...
http://www.soundnow.com/formats.htm?hdtv

Hope it helps.
Looking fwd to Sammy 46inch coming my way (followed by Optoma RD50 - i'm buying both)

[ddlooping]

Thanks Krishna, very much appreciated. :)

[Lizzard]

Mind you, until I see them all in the Flesh, I am still only 'looking' after seeing the Sammy 50L7 / Sagem 50", and how artefacted SD material is, with the sammy managing to keep terrible artefacts, and manage to soften the picture to make it look hazy, is to me, awful, but each to their own!!

Sagem is a big NO-NO as they don't even have implemented HDCP in their 50" Axium.

Optoma is Sagem but with the added bonus of HDCP and HDMI adapter and it is black if you like that.

7-segment wheel is also used to improve rainbows in the picture and that is very important not to choose a 6-wheel model like the Toshiba if you are sensitive about that.

Why Toshiba doesn't have Faroudja's excellent chip in their line-up is to save costs and to some imagination maybe that their own implementation is better which i doubt.

I really hope Toshiba have checked their QC in the factory this time for all of you have bought their sets.

[welsh113]

Sagem is a big NO-NO as they don't even have implemented HDCP in their 50" Axium.

Optoma is Sagem but with the added bonus of HDCP and HDMI adapter and it is black if you like that.

7-segment wheel is also used to improve rainbows in the picture and that is very important not to choose a 6-wheel model like the Toshiba if you are sensitive about that.

Why Toshiba doesn't have Faroudja's excellent chip in their line-up is to save costs and to some imagination maybe that their own implementation is better which i doubt.

I really hope Toshiba have checked their QC in the factory this time for all of you have bought their sets.
I agree what you are saying about the sagem with the hdcp!!!!! but what you are saying about the 7 segment colour wheel is simply not true you should get your facts right about things before putting people of(or potentially putting them off) the 7 segment wheel is to improve picture in quality in the dark areas it has NOTHING TO DO WITH RAINBOWS!!!!!!!!!! In fact they say it actaully makes them worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[arvinsingh23]

hey Dave could you tell me if the Toshiba 46WM48 has the picture in picture functionality

[welsh113]

the toshiba does not have PIP

[arvinsingh23]

how about when the teletext, is on half the screen....and the picture is on the other half. Is there any proper reviews out there about this TV...sorry dave if i'm buggin you but i want to make sure i'm getting a good TV....Are you happy with your TV....any negatives? also do u know the lifespan of the lamp?

[welsh113]

well i am not dave...........but i do have this telly and yes you can get half screen for teletext........I have put alot about this telly already if you read some of the threads but anyways i have had it for almost 2 weeks now and can say that this is truly a beautiful set to look at you will want to show it off!!!!! And the picture is very good on dvd material and certain satellite channels BUT it is very artificial on ITV and some other lower bitrate channels but you do have this problem with all the HDTV's whether they are plasmas or dlp, lcd's or whatever.........and the hrs on the bulb are rated at 10000 hope this helps
jason

[arvinsingh23]

thanks jason...sorry about the name mix up.....

[whiteswan]

..how do u get the half pic half text thing?

Dave, Oldham.

[Lizzard]

7 segment wheel is to improve picture in quality in the dark areas it has NOTHING TO DO WITH RAINBOWS!!!!!!!!!! In fact they say it actaully makes them worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not true, one of the improved features of the 7-segment wheel is to minimize rainbows compared to a 6-segment wheel implementation.

How can it be worse when it's not technically possible?

Optoma is the killer today no doubt.

[soni]

Sounds like TV wars!!

Dave, only kidding Dave, i mean Welsh113, how did you get associated with Dave anyway!

Welsh113 from Oldham, i mean Dave!

Sorry, now to the serious bit.......

Although i havn't yet purchased a DLP set yet, i will be purchasing prior to Christmas. I havn't seen either set in the flesh yet, only the Sagem, but i am going to Greenwich Comet on Saturday/Sunday (and will be keeping my eyes open for Dave and Welsh113! - just in case they plan a hit on me!), apparently they've got the Tosh on display, and i will then hunt around some Sevenoaks stores in the hope that i can see the Optoma. However, i can honestly say that i would be very happy with either one of these sets, as i do personally think - as i think most would - that the Tosh looks an absolute stunner - although the Optoma might have the edge slightly on picture quality (although i havn't seen this for myself, i have only read on this forum) i don't personally think that the Optoma is anything to look at. But then its not so much how something looks, its how it performs that counts, but if theres not much difference in picture between the two, then i would probably got for the better looking one.

:suicide:

[Demon]

Not true, one of the improved features of the 7-segment wheel is to minimize rainbows compared to a 6-segment wheel implementation.

How can it be worse when it's not technically possible?


Easy...

technically, take a 6 segment wheel, and a 7 segment wheel.. now spin them at the same speed.. lets say for arguments sake 10800RPM... (3X Wheel), as used in HD2+

Now, taking the 6 Segment wheel as going RGBRGB, and the 7 Segment wheel as going RGBRGBN (N being the extra neutral density filter segment), we can look at the time between segments..

Now since the rainbow effect is colour seperation, if we look at the time between the Green and the Red being shown...
For the 6 Segment, its a steady 1.85mS..
For the 7 Segment, you get 1.59 and 2.38mS due to every other RGB cycle having the N segment getting in the way..

now, obviously the 7 segment wheel alternates between less and more seperation time.. but the peak seperation time would be nearly 30% more then the 6 segment wheel.. and the average of the times for the 7 Segment wheel, 1.98mS, is still more then the 1.85mS from the 6 segment..

So 'technically' all things being equal, in the rainbow department, a 7 segment wheel is worse for Rainbows..

On top of that, at the same rotational speed, the 6 segment wheel displays each colour longer, which increases saturation...

Now, its all academic, and I realise that unless we know exactly what speed each manufacturer runs the wheel at etc, and how the extra segment is configured, its impossible to say.. but its not as clear cut as many think!!

I think the Optoma will be possibly one of the best, but lets remember that the xHD3, which has better contrast then the HD2+ is technically a better solution, and Optoma aren't using this..

[welsh113]

i agree not everything is as clear cut as people think.........but when you say the new xhd3 is the best you are correct BUT not one telly in the world has this chip yet so to even consider it right now is crazy as there will always be a better chip coming out in 6-12 months time, you cant wait forever

[London Town]

welsh113 :)

I have just ordered this set from Empire Direct :) cracking price, took days of reading your posts to decide :) but can't resist anymore !!

I have a couple of questions if you don't mind......
I have an Xbox, and use it quite alot, it's connected at the mo, by RGB scart, is this advisable with this new set, or is there a better way ?

Also, the quote on the lamps life 10,000 hrs, equals 1000 days at 10hrs use a day (not that it will be on that long, well will be for the first few weeks :) do you know if the lamp is replacable easily, or does it have to be done professionally ?

Thanks for your time.......

Impy

[welsh113]

The lamp is very easy to replace you just unscrew a hand nobby thing on the side of the telly to get access to the lamp (its as easy as changing a bulb on a security light without the ladder). The xbox looks great on a hidef kit you can buy from ebay (mainly meant for americian market) but you need a modded xbox to get full benifits of the Hidef which is truly awesome i might add!!!!!!

[plaver]

:hiya: Can some of people who now have this set installed post a few pics, front, back and side, :smashin:

[welsh113]

i have some pics that are too big to put on here but will happly email them if you would like.

[Gannet]

Ordered one of these sets via EmpireDirect webby...£1499!
Main video source will be Cable box and DvD player, wondered about best connection option to give best picture quality, would RGB scart be the choice?

[welsh113]

RGB scart for the cable box and component for the dvd player if it has component or RGB scart if it does not

[Gannet]

Thanks Welsh........Checked the set out at Comet, where sales assistant(?) informed me HD 2 chip aint in production yet...... :rolleyes: ....where do they train these people?

[nigel_williams]

They don't train them!

When I said there was a slight rainbow effect on the DLP, the assistant in Comet said "you get that with plasma too".

[plaver]

i have some pics that are too big to put on here but will happly email them if you would like.

PM's sent with email address

[welsh113]

risky i hope you like the pics :thumbsup: if you want more let me know
cheers the welshanator lol

[welsh113]

a few low quality pics

[plaver]

a few low quality pics

:clap: Excellent :smashin:

[Gannet]

Found this info, helps explain in plain English the main features of the set.....
http://www.videodirect.com/toshiba/dlp-tvs/compare.html
Sure i read somewhere that the 52 and possibly 62inch sets will be available in UK from Feb.

[Neelix]

62"... bring it on Toshiba, Feb would be just perfect :D

[thekingbeyond]

62"... bring it on Toshiba, Feb would be just perfect :D


Toshiba 62HM94 Price:$3,699.95 bet we dont get it for that price here :mad:

[Random Hajile]

That one great looking set welsh and at the price you got it at, you must be well chuffed. Seeing that i want a DLP thats gonna be compatable with sky HD when it`s released does anyone have any ideas which way sky is gonna go with there output of the HD box? DVI or HDMI?

[Phill1978]

errr i was well chuffed to see my first DLP. I thought they would be fading off angle. But it didnt which shocked me then i looked at the price of 44"`s worth of screen £1400 !!! black gloss no speakers all glass frontage. Dont know whtamodel it was but it was in Commet at Clifton moore york. The picture feed was crap and my GF wasnt impressed but a trick i always use is to bring the OSD up using the remote, i was confronted with a TFT monitor like crispness and solid vibrant colours (this was standing 30cm away from it aswell !!) so i can only imagine what a good PC, DVI, DVD input would look like. problem was i got the impression that this was a bottom of the range model it had no PC input and no DVI. Still the design of the thing made plasmas look crap.

((apart from the lastest philips plasma running pixel plus 2 :eek: )

im now deffo in the market for one. it has to be bigger than LCD i.e 40" bigger than plasma ie. 42" so probably 44"- 46" <<- preferably that if it doesnt wreck the picture too much being sooo large. It has to have a PC input and one of those fancy digital inputs (DVI with HDMI pref) and some components. also would like trendy looks and detachable speakers (although i could compromise)

:thumbsup:

(sorry about spelling)

[Krishna]

Sinelanguage,

In short, and to put it quite bluntly - in my opininon - having seen every DLP available in the UK thus far (apart from the Loewe) - it boils down to two models:
Optoma RD50 (50inch DLP) rrp £2000 or Samsung SP46L3HX (like mine) - rrp £2400 - (but I got mine cheaper than that - under £1800).

Both the above have HDMI/DVI inputs with HDCP enabling, as well as component input. Trendiest looking of the two, at least in my opinion, is the Samsung.
Go check out the pics via:
www.samsungelectronics.co.uk

Krishna.

[welsh113]

Sinelanguage,

In short, and to put it quite bluntly - in my opininon - having seen every DLP available in the UK thus far (apart from the Loewe) - it boils down to two models:
Optoma RD50 (50inch DLP) rrp £2000 or Samsung SP46L3HX (like mine) - rrp £2400 - (but I got mine cheaper than that - under £1800).

Both the above have HDMI/DVI inputs with HDCP enabling, as well as component input. Trendiest looking of the two, at least in my opinion, is the Samsung.
Go check out the pics via:
www.samsungelectronics.co.uk

Krishna.
Hi Sinelanguage,
after i have seen almost every DLP monitor in the country and almost everyone in the United states i can honestly hand on heart say there is not alot of difference between them all!!!!!!! These people that say the optoma is the best (seen the sagem not the optoma) are probably right for say it has the most jacks at the back ect ect But as Krishna is biased towards his samsung and i am biased towards toshiba although i at least say that there is not much difference between them all :rolleyes: You really have to go out and see as many DLP's as you can and make up your own opinion! But a little hint If you buy from costco you can take it back in 6 months time and buy the best one thats out then if you so wish to do so as they have a policy that says you have to be Completly satisified (god bless em) :laugh: Anyways back to what i was saying the best telly bar none out there for DLP is the panny which is not in this country but there again this is my honest opinion........These forums are GREAT for giving you ideas but do not base a purchase on what others say as they are all going to say different things about which telly is the best (based on there taste or needs) now for me the toshiba is as good if not better then most and is cheaper to boot as you get a great looking telly and stand for 1600£ where as the competition can not compete with that! look at the sammy for instance 1750 ish then a stand (at least 100-250 range) for a telly that on the spec sheet is inferior!!! but there again dont let specs sway anyone go and have a HUNT for dlp's and decide for yourself's.
ps they all look AWESOME with hidef material

[Subwoofer70]

I purchased the Toshiba 48 DLP and I have to say that I am blown away by the picture...saying that the TV I had before it was a Panasonic TX47PT-10 which was a CRT RPTV, you cannot really compare both...I can now see how ropey the Panny was...all dark scenes were just black and murky..no contrast..no detail. The Tosh is unbelieveable..at the moment I watch DVD's via RGB scart but I hope to buy myself an HDMI DVD player for Christmas. I have a Pioneer 5100 DVR which I use to record TV from analogue cable..it looks like broadcast quality when played on the the Tosh...I would hghly recommend this TV to people.

[welsh113]

if you dont mind me asking where did you buy it from and for how much???

[Subwoofer70]

I bought it from my local AV/Hifi shop..Savins of Limerick and I paid €2460, sorry I dont know what that works out at in sterling

[Random Hajile]

Anyone tried any High definition clips on this yet? How do they look? If i wanted to run some high def stuff from my pc would a dvi to hdmi cable work ok for the tosh?

[Subwoofer70]

I have seen the Pioneer 668 hooked up to it via HDMI and I was gobsmacked by the picture...how can you get such a high def picture from a RPTV...cant wait to get my grubby hands on a player!!!

[welsh113]

Right, but anyway it's not as good as the Optoma RD50 which can give rainbows and headache.

No reason to choose 6-segment wheel but to lower productions costs.

I will check out the Optoma, seems to be the top of the line DLP right now.
I love it when someone gets something so wrong!!!!! Been telling everyone not to buy a tosh dlp and to buy a optoma dlp because the toshiba used a 6 segment wheel in it!!!! TURNS OUT OPTOMA USED 6 SEGMENTS ALSO

[dalespitfire]

Sorry guys, seen this asked before but not convinced it's been answered properly yet (and I'm a noob to the site :blush: )

Can anyone confirm if the set is HD2 or HD2+ ?

All the official Tosh stuff says HD2 1000:1, including the brochure I requested to try and clear it all up, yet people here are talking HD2 2500:1 :confused:

I've emailed Tosh to see if they can shed any light....

I really fancy this TV but unless I can be certain I wont be buying and it will be the Hitachi 42D5200 plasma instead. :clap:

Anyone got any suggestions which is the best buy anyway?

Cheers Guys

[Subwoofer70]

Its a HD2+ TV....

[philangst]

Yeah the brochure states contrast ratio as 1000:1 (HD2) but press releases I have read here (http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=6903) says it uses HD2+ chipset

[plaver]

Yeah the brochure states contrast ratio as 1000:1 (HD2) but press releases I have read here (http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=6903) says it uses HD2+ chipset

:hiya: who's right, the manifacture who wrote the brochure and make the TV or a media journalist.

[TonyA]

From what I've seen on web, all Toshiba DLP RPTV's use HD2+ DMD's.

[welsh113]

manufactors often make mistakes on websites ect in brochures.....the confusion comes from the fact that they actually say in the brochure that they use the talon engine and the hd2 plus but state the contrast at 1000:1 which is where the error is toshiba have not released proper contrast ratio for this telly but is meant to be something in the range of 2000:1 and up!!!
BUT IT IS THE HD2+ CHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Number45]

Can anyone confirm whether or not this set supports progressive scan, 1080i and the HDCP standard? The downloadable manual suggests no prog scan and doesn't mention 1080i or HDCP.

As it's looking increasingly unlikely that the Samsung is ever going to arrive in the UK, this seems to be the only real alternative.

Thanks in advance!

[TonyA]

Can anyone confirm whether or not this set supports progressive scan, 1080i and the HDCP standard? The downloadable manual suggests no prog scan and doesn't mention 1080i or HDCP.


Mmmmmm - good questions.

HDCP will be supported, due to the HDMI interface. This has been discussed elsewhere on the forum.

Prog scan - maybe not - but Tosh have other picture tweeks that are built in - such as TALEN.

1080i - dunno! Be very surprised if it didn't support it.

[Number45]

Thanks for the heads-up. I've fired the same questions off to Tosh, I'll post them back here when I [hopefully] get an answer.

The main reason I want prog scan is for my Gamecube (And possibly PS2, if I invest in the cable), as I believe the 480p games look a hell of a lot nicer than their interlaced equivalent. Not sure how any proprietary Tosh solution would deal with that, when I believe support is coded into the game? The manual mentions support for 1280x720, so it would seem a little silly if there is no progressive scan support - I'm less concerned about 1080i but it would be nice to have. Looking through the manual though, and going by some of the comments on this thread, they don't seem to be hugely accurate (Contrast ratio / chipset used etc... seems to be wrong) so I'm hoping it's an oversight. :D

[Phil Harris]

Just a note for anyone put off the Sagem because a lack of HDCP....
I have spoken to a guy at Sagem Tech desk, and he has assured me that an HDCP upgrade will be retro fitted, free of charge. They hope to have this done by January.
The help desk number is 0870 2488227.
They are, I am pleased to say, unusually helpful....

[TonyA]

Hi Number45

I'd be interested to hear what Tosh get back to you with.

I've got a Gamecube too (so you're the other one then!! :zonked: ), and I hadn't been thinking about how that would hook up on this particular set, as I've been concentrating on DVD playback.

The Tosh site does seem to be "light" on the nitty-gritty tech info. They must surely have a more in-depth specification available somewhere.

[whiteswan]

I have ran both 720 and 1080 hi def trailers into the Tosh with no problems whatsoever - they look very very good!

Dave, Oldham.

[TonyA]

Ok, this information is about the models in the USA - however, it shouldn't be that dissimilar to the UK version!

http://www.video-direct.com/toshiba/dlp-tvs/compare.html

PixelPure is Tosh's proprietary image processor - which support progressive scan!

I've nabbed the following from the above site!

3 - Toshiba PixelPureTM Proprietary Digital Video Processing
Another development from Toshiba is the incorporation of the new PixelPure Digital Video Processing Suite. Other companies can create a DLP TV, but they can't create Toshiba picture quality. It took years of engineering expertise and experience to create PixelPure. Toshiba did this because the key to a great picture is great processing. Utilizing Toshiba's advanced circuitry, PixelPure delivers the consistent high-quality picture expected from Toshiba TV'. Key PixelPure components include:
6.2 Million Pixel Over Sampling -- for Higher Perceived Resolution with Decreased Image Distortion
Real Speed Progressive Scanning -- uses Additional Sampling Points to Create Smoother Diagonal Lines
Magic Square Algorithm -- for Smooth and Natural Color Gradation
Dynamic Contrast Enhancer -- for Higher Perceived Contrast and Increased Color Saturation and Purity
Super Real Transient and Small Signal Sharpness -- for Sharp Transitions from Dark to Bright
Color Transient Improver -- for Sharp Transitions on Color Changes Without Bleeding
Color Detail Enhancer -- to Maintain Fine Image Detail in Color Saturated Areas

[TonyA]

I have ran both 720 and 1080 hi def trailers into the Tosh with no problems whatsoever - they look very very good!

Dave, Oldham.

Dave, from the postings that you've made, you seem to be EXTREMELY happy with your purchase.

I really wanted to go for the Optoma RD50, but I'm really warming to the Tosh's now as I find the set more asthetically pleasing due to its "polished" design.

My concern is this though... should I wait until spring next year for the 52" Tosh to be released, or get in there now and get the 46"?

Does the 46" give that "cinema experience"?

[osbornej76]

now unavailable from EBUYER!

[Bruce1310]

Can anyone confirm whether or not this set supports progressive scan, 1080i and the HDCP standard? The downloadable manual suggests no prog scan and doesn't mention 1080i or HDCP.

Number45,

I'm close to buying but have been asking the same questions as you. After a long search did notice on the very last page of the downloadable manual it mentions in the 'External connections' section that EXt 4 supports 'High definition 1080i and Progressive scan'. I could be reading it wrong! Have also emailed Toshiba with load of queries and will post any reply.



Great forum...glad to have found it!

[Number45]

Thanks for that. Which manual did you see that in, as the downloadable one that I've seen (DLP and Rear Projection TV Section (high resolution): Download size is 1.375Mb - on this page (http://www.home-entertainment.toshiba.co.uk/consumer/forms.nsf/brochurerequest?openform)) doesn't seem to mention anything like that?

[whiteswan]

It mentions it in the manual that comes with the tosh tv.

I have just moved house and cant find mine - but it says something like "Feed 720 and 1080 hi def feeds into av 4 - component" - obviously you can feed em into vga port as well via a pc.

Dave, Oldham.

[Number45]

Excellent stuff. Sold! *orders* :grin:

[Bruce1310]

Hi there....

You'll find the download In 'Information and support' and then choose 'Technical Site' Copy this link:

http://tesc.toshiba.co.uk/Web/Website.nsf/ContentFrameSet?OpenFrameset

then select the model, etc....

Hope that helps.

[Number45]

Thanks again. I'm off to Comet in the morning!

[Bruce1310]

Number45

Before you buy from Comet, have a look at Empiredirect...I saw it on their site for £1545.48....quite a lot cheaper than Comet!

[Number45]

Yeah, it certainly seems as though you can save a lot of money buying it online! The missus is keen to buy it from a 'shop' (Women eh? Tsk), but we'll see if the prospect of saving £300-£400 doesn't change her mind!

EDIT: That didn't take much convincing... I'll be ordering it later.

[Number45]

Hmmm, that one on Empire Direct is actually an 46WM48B, whereas the Comet one is an 46WM48P. Anyone aware of any difference?

EDIT: I'm wondering if the non P models are perhaps those without prog scan, or is that too obvious?

[cola]

I noticed that too? If there is a diffeerence - Anyone know which one is the one at Costco?

[Wij]

As far as I can tell theres only one model available?


Sean

[Number45]

The Tosh site suggests so yeah, but there are three different models listed at various sites. If you go to Kelkoo, and stick in 46WM48, 46WM48B and 46WM48P in you'll get three different sets of results.

[Bruce1310]

I see what you mean. The 46WM48 is probably understandable as some sites have just been lazy?! I wonder if the B instead of the P is juat a mistake....I have had a look at most of the various Tosh sites around the world and there is no mention of a 46WM48B. A bit of a mystery...may phone a couple of the retailers selling the so called 46WM48B and ask them to confirm by checking the TV,s.

[lee31]

Can someone please tell me the overall heght of this with the stand, I can find dims online but they state 805mm is that inc stand ??

Thanks

Lee

[Chris5]

if it means anything at all, then it will be that one of them will be a grey import (and I bet it's not the one from Comet)

[Number45]

If that's the case TV and Video Direct are still selling the P model for a little over £1700 inc shipping.

[TonyA]

If you google the model numbers - the B comes up with UK sites, and the P comes back with mainly French sites!

:rolleyes:

[Number45]

That's odd, because the P is the one listed at Comet. :confused:

[Bruce1310]

What's interesting is that the Toshiba UK site merely refers to it as the 46WM48!!!! :rolleyes:

Who would have thought it would be so difficult to choose a TV when the options are so limited....

[lee31]

I HAVE spoken to Toshiba & the B = British, P = Pan European

Either is fine for UK use with NTSC DVD's etc but if you are planning on moving to eg France & taking your TV with you, you will need the P model as it has an activate European tuner but for all UK citizens the B will be fine :0)

Hope this helps

[Subwoofer70]

When I looked at the Yank version of it the spec sheet offered PIP yet the European model does not have this facility....any ideas why...???

[Number45]

I HAVE spoken to Toshiba & the B = British, P = Pan European

Either is fine for UK use with NTSC DVD's etc but if you are planning on moving to eg France & taking your TV with you, you will need the P model as it has an activate European tuner but for all UK citizens the B will be fine :0)

Hope this helps
Excellent news. I have no intentions of moving to Europe... ever.

EDIT: Just phoned Tosh to make sure there are no other changes, and he basically said you can ignore any of the suffixes, the models are bascally the same. I've just ordered from Empire Direct! :grin:

[Muffminer]

I ordered myn too from EmpireDirect too :D,

but since i got it on their 12 months deffered payment option i gotta wait till after christmas for it :(.

Oh well least it gives me time to build the kit around it :)

[Number45]

I'd made the money available for it, so it's all paid for already. Just waiting for a call now. Hopefully I'll be able to arrange it for sometime next week, because Sky+ is being installed next Saturday!

[Wij]

I'm gonna try one out aswell,just waiting on optoma to arrange collection of the RD50 then confirm it to hifibitz so I can get my darn refund (grrrr),was hoping to hear today but I havent unfortunately :/

I'll be gutted if I dont get one before crimbo,I'll be even more gutted if theres any problems with this one too,or I just dont like it hehe.


Sean

[Neelix]

Sean, sure you you can handle a 46" after 50" screen? That's an 8% reduction ;)

[Wij]

Hehe probably wont bother me tooooo much if the PQ is great with my highdef stuff,I went from a 6foot wide screen with my AE500 to the RD50 and it didnt bother me too much as the gain in PQ was well worth the size reduction(though obviously it failed to deliver in other respects).

We'll see what happens :)

Sean

[lee31]

Ordered mine too, yippee, took some sweet talking with the wife, not over price as Im getting it for FREE !!!!!, just over sheer size of the thing 1350 wide x 1200 high, like a fiat uno in the lounge lol. I had to stack some boxes up around my Panny 42" to give her the idea of size but the fact its only 380mm deep helped :0)

Just need Emp Direct to pull their finger out, pick up my faulty Panny & deliver Tosh for NO dosh :grin:

[Number45]

Mine's all arranged for delivery next Thursday, which is handy because it will be in place when Sky+ comes in on Saturday. Those Christmas DVDs are going to pack an extra punch now, or at least they will when I sort out my DVD player which is a little on the old side...

[sprout]

Hi all,

Anyone know where in the SW England I can go and view this Toshiba DLP TV?
I live in Bridgwater, Somerset.

Hope someone can help

Thanks

Martin

PS Welsh113, thanks for the pictures you emailed me.

[philangst]

Been in 3 Comet stores in and around Leeds and non of them have the Toshiba on display. In fact the sales people didn't know anything about it. They looked it up on their system and its not even described as a DLP. Sales guy tried to convince me it was an "old style" rear pro!! and that if it was a HDTV ready DLP they would have it on show!! I told him its on the comet web site as a DLP and he was rather confused because he stated it was their top selling Tosh!! He was hard selling me the Sagem!
On the plus side, I got to look at the Samsung SP46L3HX in currys for about £2200.

[ayrshiredude]

I got to look at the Samsung SP46L3HX in currys for about £2200.

What was the Sammy like? I am considering this because of the size difference between the Tosh. I have not seen this one in currys.

[ayrshiredude]

Just called My local currys in Glasgow and they say they just got it in on Thursday. Might pop in on Monday after wrok to see it.

[philangst]

The Sammy was a lovely looking TV and had a very decent picture. I didnt think the PQ was as good as the Samsung SP50L7HXX it was sat next to though.

[rasb0]

For those considering the Tosh. An alternative to EmpireDirect if they can't supply you is:

http://www.soundandvisiononline.com/snv/index.asp

£1593.99 (inc'.s delivery)

I have used them many times in the past and visit their showroom regularly. Very enthusiastic and Knowlegeable staff. No I'm not on commission or in their employ.
I'll be ordering mine tomorrow.

Rick

[pantages]

For those considering the Tosh. An alternative to EmpireDirect if they can't supply you is:

http://www.soundandvisiononline.com/snv/index.asp

£1593.99 (inc'.s delivery)

I have used them many times in the past and visit their showroom regularly. Very enthusiastic and Knowlegeable staff. No I'm not on commission or in their employ.
I'll be ordering mine tomorrow.

Rick

Just ordered mine from here too. I paid with Barclaycard Visa and should be able to get an extended 12 months warranty from them as it is a RP tv.

[welsh113]

you do not get the 12 month extended warranty on dlp rear projection tellies sorry to be the bearer of bad news

[ayrshiredude]

The Sammy was a lovely looking TV and had a very decent picture. I didnt think the PQ was as good as the Samsung SP50L7HXX it was sat next to though.

Well it is a lot more expensive so I would expect it to be a bit better than the cheaper one. I am just looking for a decent tv that does not have all the faults and problems that I have previously suffered with CRT RPTVs. And from what I am reading here it would appear that they do not.

Heres hoping lol

[rasb0]

To clarify a point raised yesterday.

Costco DO give a 3 year warranty with the Tosh. DLP.

I went in today (Chadderton) and the 3 year warranty sticker was plastered all over the sales/price tickets. I even asked staff, just to be sure. They said all TV's except plasma come a 3 year warranty.

Makes them the best deal so far, I think.

Rick

[cola]

Hi all - just got my Tosh 46WM48 today! Hoorah! (From costco) - BUT - when I connected by DVD player (scan is make not sure of model) to Scart 1 and set the player to RGB output (no component 'til my High Def player arrives). I get a "double image", ie, on DVD menu - can see all text, but also a mirror of text about half a centimetre off? But when I set DVD output to SVHS it looks OK (but not good quality like normal RGB quality). This can't be the player as on my Sony 32 CRT it was always perfect through RGB scart? Any ideas? Please....want to see what DVDs looks like at least through RGB. Cheers, Andy.

[sprout]

Go into the set up menu of the TV and you can probably change what input gets presented to AV1.
Do not have the set myself although interested, I am still trying to find somewhere to look at one in the SW.

Cheers

Martin

[ayrshiredude]

To clarify a point raised yesterday.

Costco DO give a 3 year warranty with the Tosh. DLP.

I went in today (Chadderton) and the 3 year warranty sticker was plastered all over the sales/price tickets. I even asked staff, just to be sure. They said all TV's except plasma come a 3 year warranty.

Makes them the best deal so far, I think.

Rick


Well I was in Costco in Glasgow earlier this week and asked about it. They checked their computer and said that it definately did not. The guy also phone someone just to check and they said the same. Seems that noone really knows for sure.

[poshcar]

Hello peeps, Bought myself a 46" Tosh 2 weeks ago from Costco purely to watch DVDs and although I'm very happy with the picture and sound I have noticed colour banding on people/objects particulaly during scenes with a lot of camera movement. It seems to be more evident on R2 DVDs than R1. Does anyone know if this is a quirk of DLP tellies or if there's a way I can minimise or stop the banding altogether? I'm not much of a techie but can tell you my multi-region LG DVD player (about 3 years old) is hooked to the TV with an IXON RGB scart lead. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated!

[ayrshiredude]

Was in my local Currys today to have a look at the 46" Samsung. It was sitting next to the 50". There was a noticible difference in picture quality but the 46 was only showing the usual crap RF feed where the 50" was showing a DVD paying through component feed. The other thing I noticed was the 50" seems to have a glossier screen where the 46" seems to be less refelctive and more on the matte side. I suspect this could make a difference to the picture quality.

The other thing I noticed was the 46" seemed very dark compared to the 50". I tried playing around with the settings but it always seemed dark. Anyone else seen this? I wonder if there is a problem with this model.

[rasb0]

Called in at Sound & Vision (Bolton, very helpful) yesterday as planned to Demo the Tosh. They had a £900 Denon DVD hooked up via component playing "Driven" (Sylvester Stallone) and the picture was absolutely crystal. They then played the same DVD through the new Panasonic HDMi DVD (£230) and the picture was outstanding. I glanced around at the other Plasmas and LCDs (and whilst their video sources "may" have been inferior) nothing imho came close. Needless to say I ordered their last one. He claims to have sold 30 since last Wednesday and is now out of stock! (A sales pitch? I don't know, but somebody else did buy their "2nd to last one" whilst I was in on the Demo). Can't wait, should be here by the end of the week. Don't know if to go for the Panny HDMi DVD now (currently have Pioneer 454 multi region which has no component, it has to go but what to replace it with?). Any thoughts or suggestions?

[lee31]

What Panny DVD player was it ?

Cheers

Lee

[Subwoofer70]

Hello peeps, Bought myself a 46" Tosh 2 weeks ago from Costco purely to watch DVDs and although I'm very happy with the picture and sound I have noticed colour banding on people/objects particulaly during scenes with a lot of camera movement. It seems to be more evident on R2 DVDs than R1. Does anyone know if this is a quirk of DLP tellies or if there's a way I can minimise or stop the banding altogether? I'm not much of a techie but can tell you my multi-region LG DVD player (about 3 years old) is hooked to the TV with an IXON RGB scart lead. Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated!

I only noticed last night this banding...I was watching from the hard drive of a Pioneer DVR5100...especially when watching bright objects against a dark backround...cant say I noticed it before on my previous tv (Panasonic PT4710)..may be it is something to do with DLP...

[rasb0]

Panny S97EBS (£230 including HDMi cable)

[welsh113]

Was in my local Currys today to have a look at the 46" Samsung. It was sitting next to the 50". There was a noticible difference in picture quality but the 46 was only showing the usual crap RF feed where the 50" was showing a DVD paying through component feed. The other thing I noticed was the 50" seems to have a glossier screen where the 46" seems to be less refelctive and more on the matte side. I suspect this could make a difference to the picture quality.

The other thing I noticed was the 46" seemed very dark compared to the 50". I tried playing around with the settings but it always seemed dark. Anyone else seen this? I wonder if there is a problem with this model.
there maybe a problem or it could be the difference between the TI chip used in each one, the 46incher has the HD3 which is a softer image and lower contrast ratio then the HD2+ with sharper image and almost twice the contrast ratio on the 50incher

[rasb0]

Panny S97EBS - Oh yes, most important, that price was multi-region moded too.

[dbisping]

Just talked to Empiredirect about the Toshiba and he said that they no longer supply the stand with this ?, this seems rather stange, has anyone heard a simlair story ?

Dabe...

[Muffminer]

when i odered myn, empiredirect said stand is included.

[AV Junky]

Just talked to Empiredirect about the Toshiba and he said that they no longer supply the stand with this ?, this seems rather stange, has anyone heard a simlair story ?

Dabe...
Perhaps they aren't selling many stands, so have stopped stocking them. Any Tosh dealer should be able to order one, though.

[AV Junky]

I only noticed last night this banding...I was watching from the hard drive of a Pioneer DVR5100...especially when watching bright objects against a dark backround...cant say I noticed it before on my previous tv (Panasonic PT4710)..may be it is something to do with DLP...
Sounds like the classic 'rainbow effect' to me. You must be sensitive to it, if so.

[Number45]

I've just had a mailer back from Tosh stating that this model doesn't support HDCP, 1080i or Progressive Scan... which kind of goes against what the downloadable manual clearly states - I'm wondering if they're using the 'other' catalog which got a whole hell of a lot of things wrong? And I'm sure people here have said they're running things fine in Prog Scan?

[Number45]

Just talked to Empiredirect about the Toshiba and he said that they no longer supply the stand with this ?, this seems rather stange, has anyone heard a simlair story ?

Dabe...
They're still listing it as 'complete with cabinet', so I'd make sure you get it that way.

[Muffminer]

I've just had a mailer back from Tosh stating that this model doesn't support HDCP, 1080i or Progressive Scan... which kind of goes against what the downloadable manual clearly states - I'm wondering if they're using the 'other' catalog which got a whole hell of a lot of things wrong? And I'm sure people here have said they're running things fine in Prog Scan?

I was under impression it does support 1080i and progressive scan. I thought progressive scan would be on nearly all new tv's. But im sure ive read it has 1080i not sure on HDPC though.

[Number45]

Yeah, I mailed them before I was pointed towards a link for the manual that cleary states Prog Scan and 1080i is supported. I'm sure I saw that HDCP was supported too. Mine arrives on Thursday so I guess I'll find out then, although at the moment I'm waiting on cables for my component devices! >_<

[Muffminer]

Better have them or ill very unhappy :(

[welsh113]

ALL and i repeat all hdmi tellies support HDCP!!! how many times has this been covered already!!! and go demo a toshiba and you will see that it supports prog scan and 1080i by looking in the on screen menus

[Number45]

No need to shout. I had accepted this matter, but the following mail from Tosh kind of scared me a little...

The 46WM48P television is not compatible with progressive scan.

The 46WM46P does not support 1080i.

The HDMI input does support the HDCP signal.

You can understand why I wondered.

[dbisping]

They're still listing it as 'complete with cabinet', so I'd make sure you get it that way.

I did point that out to the chappy and he said nope, no longer has a stand, suggested a coffee table !! might wait till after Xmas and try again, they could not sort the finance out to the new year anyways, will calll them again and ask

Dave...

[Number45]

There was no mention of it not coming with a stand when I spoke to them about mine, so there'll be trouble if there's not one. I wonder if they're trying to maximise profits considering how much they're undercutting the apparent high street value?

[Capt Morgan]

Number45 I'd get ready to quote the sale of goods act and threaten to refuse delivery of the set if it turns up without.

If you accept without you'll struggle to get the stand and have to mess about getting the set collected if you return it....

This is from the bitter and twisted type whose had his consumer rights trampled once of twice before....

[Number45]

Unless it comes after four in the afternoon it will be my Wife waiting for it, but she's not shy so I'll make sure she knows what to expect.

[dbisping]

Number45 I'd get ready to quote the sale of goods act and threaten to refuse delivery of the set if it turns up without.

If you accept without you'll struggle to get the stand and have to mess about getting the set collected if you return it....

This is from the bitter and twisted type whose had his consumer rights trampled once of twice before....

Does not make sense to me for it not to come without a stand,, I wonder where I would stand if I purchased the set with the salesdroid saying about no stand and the web staying it has one (as it still does), hmmm interesting.

Dave...

[Capt Morgan]

Hmmm I guess it depends if the droid in question has memory of your conversation when you have to "kick up stink" for the set turning up without the stand.

The issues are that once the kit's in your house your less inclined to return it when they stick to there guns and refuse the stand.

Why are you less lightly to do this, well you've set it up "just to see it fired up, I won't keep it honest, she'll go right back in that box, oh yeah" :p

Sorry I've just came out as a Japanese Electronic Consumer Durable’s - coholic :)

[markz]

My 46WM48 turns up on Thursday - the lovely Jane of Toshiba called today to advise - yippee. I understand the Toshiba has had stock of the Television but a shortage of stands. I actually asked if I could have mine without the stand as I have an IKEA Oppli - this is not possible I was told Toshiba only deliver TV & Stand as a pair. I would be therfore very surprised if it arrived without. Roll on Thursday.....

Mark Z

[whiteswan]

Welsh where in the on screen menus does it say 720, 1080 prog scan etc?

I have been trying to connect my pc to the tosh via a dvi to hdmi cable with little sucess.

I have played both 720 and 1080 stuff via the pc - port and they play fine.

Anybody local to Oldham help me set up my pc via the hdmi dvi options?

Dave, Oldham.

[Yaka]

has anyone tried conecting thier pc via the HDMI port?

[dbisping]

My 46WM48 turns up on Thursday - the lovely Jane of Toshiba called today to advise - yippee. I understand the Toshiba has had stock of the Television but a shortage of stands. I actually asked if I could have mine without the stand as I have an IKEA Oppli - this is not possible I was told Toshiba only deliver TV & Stand as a pair. I would be therfore very surprised if it arrived without. Roll on Thursday.....

Mark Z

Is there contact or email address at Toshiba?, I really want to order this but worried about getting into a slanging match with the delievery people if if does turn up without out a stand. It would nice to be able to quote chapter and verse from Toshiba at least initially at the Salesdroid at Empiredirect.

Later... Ahh Email address found (enquiries@toshiba-tiu.co.uk) enquiry sent...

Dave

[n_s_simpson]

Hi People,

Ok lots of threads so I assume you're all gurus on DLP's.

Anyway, regardless of external looks and assuming anything over 45" is ok, should I go for the Toshiba or wait for the new Sagem 45" to come out?

It's supposed to be 3000:1 contrast ratio and have even more connectivity and better sound.

Sagem tell me the NTSC playback issue on the Optimas does not occur on the Sagem.

What should I do?

[welsh113]

Hi People,

Ok lots of threads so I assume you're all gurus on DLP's.

Anyway, regardless of external looks and assuming anything over 45" is ok, should I go for the Toshiba or wait for the new Sagem 45" to come out?

It's supposed to be 3000:1 contrast ratio and have even more connectivity and better sound.

Sagem tell me the NTSC playback issue on the Optimas does not occur on the Sagem.

What should I do?
Why are you asking an impossible question first of all the sagem is not out and may not come out for months!!! second of all when it does come out some people will say its the best others not!! you have to make up your own mind!! All i can say is that the spec is very close to the toshiba's so there are looks to consider and also i would not buy anything without a demo (i bought the thomson with out a demo and lived to regret it)

[dbisping]

My 46WM48 turns up on Thursday - the lovely Jane of Toshiba called today to advise - yippee. I understand the Toshiba has had stock of the Television but a shortage of stands. I actually asked if I could have mine without the stand as I have an IKEA Oppli - this is not possible I was told Toshiba only deliver TV & Stand as a pair. I would be therfore very surprised if it arrived without. Roll on Thursday.....

Mark Z

I just got a nice email back from Jayne too, no problems with the Stand, talked again to Empire again who now make no mention of stand issue, the nice lady even double checked, order placed waitng for confirmation on the finannce, I guess it was a badly trained salesdroid I got yesterday.

Dave...

[Charlie999]

Welsh where in the on screen menus does it say 720, 1080 prog scan etc?

I have been trying to connect my pc to the tosh via a dvi to hdmi cable with little sucess.

I have played both 720 and 1080 stuff via the pc - port and they play fine.

Anybody local to Oldham help me set up my pc via the hdmi dvi options?

Dave, Oldham.

Dave,

Are you sure you are not getting the full resolution via the VGA port?

Presumably you can prove it by changing the display resolution on your PC in control panel from 640x480 to 1280x720

What cable did you use to connect your PC?

Was it a standard VGA - male/male (or male/female???) I haven't got the Tosh yet - and haven't looked at my PC's current monitor connection in 3 years.

Thanks for your posts. Very interesting.

Charlie

[n_s_simpson]

I spoke with Sagem yesturday who told me that they actually make the units. Optima have bought the DLP's but altered some of the internals. They went on to say that there is no problem with NTSC playback on their models. They also said the new model is even better.

Do I need NTSC anyway living in the UK?

Also 45" is enough for the size of room.

PS

I saw the Toshiba 46" yesturday and thought it was nice, but bulky.

The picture quality was rubbish due to Comet's rubbish connection to standard analogue signal. Asked if they could get a hi-def demo but they looked at me in a confused why so I left. Think I'll take a laptop next time.

Do all HDTV's have PC inputs so I can use my laptop with some HDTV material?

[pantages]

My Tosh arrived today and, in a word, it is SUPERB! Easy to set up and adjust, I can't fault it, although the sound via AV SCART is not so hot, it is fine on analogue RF input. However I use my amplifier so it is not an issue. Toshiba are short of stands so I am using my plasma rack until the Tosh stand arrives via Sound & Vision who have provided an excellent service - as always!

[Carl_Docklands]

pantages, i have put my experiences in a thread here http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169872

If you can contribute your experience with your dvd player setup that would be cool :)

[pantages]

pantages, i have put my experiences in a thread here http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169872

If you can contribute your experience with your dvd player setup that would be cool :)
Will do, I'll be trying it later but won't be back here until Friday. Incidentally, the TV and the STAND are sold as a pair.

[rasb0]

Toshiba are short of stands so I am using my plasma rack until the Tosh stand arrives via Sound & Vision who have provided an excellent service - as always!

Ordered mine on Monday from S & V, direct from showroom. They said the units were in stock, never mentioned anything about the stand. They told me delivery should be early next week. I suspect they maybe waiting on the stands :rolleyes:
Getting impatient!

[lee31]

I should be getting mine Friday - cant wait especially as Ive also got the Panny S97EBS HDMI DVD player coming too

I feel like its Christmas or something :laugh:

[Number45]

Mine's already turned up this morning, stand included. If anyone is having concerns about dealing with Empire Direct... don't, they've been fantastic right from the off.

Now all I need to do is convince work to let me go home, and hope that my AV cables turn up today!

[n_s_simpson]

So everyone here is a big fan of the Toshiba, eh?

How many DLP's have you all compared it to and why is the Toshiba the one?

[GrahamC]

I would like a little more description on the image quality (rainbows) if possible please.

[welsh113]

I personally have compared it to alot of dlp tellies (mainly americian though while back home in the summer), Over here i have seen the samsung 50incher and the sagem also the LG if you can include that (but its not HDef compatible) now then the only bit of advice i can give is to go and see as many as you can for yourself! But also i with all the ones i have seen i can honestly hand over heart say the difference in them is very minimal as in it would take some side by side set up exactly the same way to notice a difference if there is one!!! Also on some material one looks better then the other (slightly at best!!) Last but not least they all look unbelievable with HD material BUT here is the big problem once you have seen it its then hard to go back and watch crappy sky (sky is watchable just you notice things like digitalization and blurring or fake looking faces hard to explain really but you do get use to it).I have a yamakawa 375 and i think it looks good on it!! But have recently sold the yamakawa on ebay (today) so am now going to look for another dvd player that does straight hdmin to hdmi as apperantly its meant to be much better (probably not though). Have a choice now between samsung 945 or the maybe the panny S97

[n00b]

i know its been stated earlier but i read somewhere that this was a HD3 set, is it defo HD2+?
man i never thought my first post would be such a boring one :smoke:

[TonyA]

It is definately an HD2+ set (Tosh to my knowledge have only made DLP RPTV's using HD2+ so far).

[Yaka]

can i just ask, if DLP TV suffer from screen burns? ive still not decided yet but having seen the set its tempting, i play console ames alot, and watch DVDs thru my pc at the moment.

[Neelix]

DLPs do not suffer from any form of screen burn unlike CRT RPTV, Plasma etc :)

[Yaka]

anyone know if it will let you use a pc thru the hdmi port?

oh and how heavy are these? just wondering if it will kill me carrying it up 3 flights of steps

[dbisping]

anyone know if it will let you use a pc thru the hdmi port?

oh and how heavy are these? just wondering if it will kill me carrying it up 3 flights of steps

EmpireDirect quoted me 120Kg (ouch !)

Dave...

[lee31]

anyone know if it will let you use a pc thru the hdmi port?

oh and how heavy are these? just wondering if it will kill me carrying it up 3 flights of steps

TV has a seperate PC port for direct PC connection

You could use HDMI post if you graphics card has HDMI or DVI out

[Carl_Docklands]

120kg? Hmm The stand is definatley heavier than the telly. Wesh, i have just watched star wars using the sammy at 720p via HDMI and it was sensational!
the detail levels are breathtaking. My Aliens dvd is just a pile of grain by comparison, will have to do more testing but there aint many settings to tweak on this deck.

[Carl_Docklands]

Graham C: I have blue eyes and the only time i see rainbows on this set is if i look away and look back quickly. Otherwise the only other time i have seen them is when watching sky and so far very rare occasions when watching dvd.

I have to say i think this rainbow issue is down to the older DLP sets as this one seems fine to me. I simply could not have bought the Optoma as the missus would have left me. I had a fight on my hands even with the supermodel looks of the tosh :D

[welsh113]

Graham C: I have blue eyes and the only time i see rainbows on this set is if i look away and look back quickly. Otherwise the only other time i have seen them is when watching sky and so far very rare occasions when watching dvd.

I have to say i think this rainbow issue is down to the older DLP sets as this one seems fine to me. I simply could not have bought the Optoma as the missus would have left me. I had a fight on my hands even with the supermodel looks of the tosh :D
I agree my wife was the same....lol i actually had the optoma on order but had to cancel it as when i showed her a pics she just said ewww its ugly!!
wow what a let down when you want people to say wow that telly looks awesome!! so cancelled and ordered the tosh which looks stunning!! anyways i want to know what the samsung is like can you see a noticable difference with it on 720p compared to normal settings???
thanx in advance

[Carl_Docklands]

Welsh - I have to say it depends on the source material. You will have to try it out. To my eyes the 720p HDMI feed is night and day difference compared to the RGB Scart. But compared to the 720p component, its a much closer call. I think you will be more impressed with the sound from this set as the tosh seems to love the pure digital HDMI signal from this deck, the combination is a very musical performer. I am having second thoughts about that wireless Sony system i have lined up.

But you will be faced with the same problem as me i am sure! I have a medium sized DVD collection but this combination really shows up the bad discs which were fine on a smaller set, to be real pigs.

Predator R1 for instance and Aliens R2 are so grain ridden i am going to have to buy the latest SE releases and sell the old ones. I know the latest R2 predator disc is anamorphic for instance, which should make a big difference.

[Yaka]

EmpireDirect quoted me 120Kg (ouch !)

Dave...

omg, didnt think it was that heavy when i looked at a set. think i'll e-mail tosh and see what it is with out the stand. otherwise its gonna be a lcd tv, almost all of which have iffy pic qual compared to this:/

[Carl_Docklands]

Yaka, it is not, my missus can lift the set on her own. I know this because she tried to put it onto the stand while i was reading the instructions - much to my horror ! :D

[Salty Seadog]

Carl i just took delivery of my SAMSUNG HD945 today (although my TV is going to be another 1-2 weeks!!) and wanted to know if you were using the supplied leads at all ?

[Number45]

The TV itself is about 30kgs. You could lift it on your own if not for the size... the stand is actually a lot heavier!

[Carl_Docklands]

Salty - yes, i am using the supplied HDMI cable as its all digital it should not make much difference. If i was forced to use component i would have bought some better ones though as the supplied ones are Ghetto.

[dbisping]

Yaka, it is not, my missus can lift the set on her own. I know this because she tried to put it onto the stand while i was reading the instructions - much to my horror ! :D

That sounds much more likely, I was thinking last night what they could have put into the TV to make it that that heavy.

BTW is the stand flat pack ? as I am tight on the entranceway to my flat, checking the Screen itself, as long as it's out of the box I'll have no problems getting it in but the stand worrys me. Hopefully If I feed the Delivery drivers Tea and biccy's they will help with getting it all into the flat :)

Dave...

[pantages]

pantages, i have put my experiences in a thread here http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169872

If you can contribute your experience with your dvd player setup that would be cool :)
I use either a Philips 963 or a Pioneer 757i and really there is no difference in the picture quality. In both cases using progressive scan it is awesome! I have never seen such detail and clarity. Even the recordings from Sky+ are superb and indistinguishable from broadcast quality. The same goes for Sky Digital and Freeview reception. Amazing! No ringing, no ghosting, no banding, just a pure honest picture. The rainbow effect is not an issue, I have spotted it a couple of times but it so fast it does not detract from the satisfaction offered by the picture quality. The positives outweigh the negatives by 99%. For £1590, including the stand and delivery from Sound & Vision, it is great value and I highly recommend this tv. I also own a Panasonic 50" plasma and the Toshiba pictures beat it hands down.

[Carl_Docklands]

The stand is flat pack and youll need a toolkit to get it setup. The TV box is HUGE, so be warned ;)

I agree with pantages comments. Having lived with the tv for about a week, i can say the picture quality from sky is actually very good.

[n00b]

saw one of these at costco today (hooked up to dvd player via scart), is it just me or can you see the rainbow effect on these very easily? the sagem in john lewis (showing hd content) was almost rainbow free. this has confused me even more on which one to get heh heh. the pq was awful on the tosh too but i think costco are more to blame for this. i will try and view hd stuff on it at some point.

[cola]

Hi all, got mine from Costco - all set up and using a NeuNeo DVD player I ordererd at the same (gives 1080 output through component -double lines) I am VERY pleased with the results from DVD's. TV is a different matter - very pixelly - but I'm sure this is the crappy ntl: box. Anyhow - my question is this....

I want to watch some of thr WMV-HD trailers I have downloaded - and so would need to connect up to the VGA socket with my PC - BUT - in the instructions it says it only supports resolutions up to 1024 x 768 though the VGA socket - so how do get to watch them? (as I need 1920x1024 - or whatever the top HD res is?) Has anyone tried pushing the VGA socket hight - any luck?

Cheers,

Andy.

[Yaka]

Hi all, got mine from Costco - all set up and using a NeuNeo DVD player I ordererd at the same (gives 1080 output through component -double lines) I am VERY pleased with the results from DVD's. TV is a different matter - very pixelly - but I'm sure this is the crappy ntl: box. Anyhow - my question is this....

I want to watch some of thr WMV-HD trailers I have downloaded - and so would need to connect up to the VGA socket with my PC - BUT - in the instructions it says it only supports resolutions up to 1024 x 768 though the VGA socket - so how do get to watch them? (as I need 1920x1024 - or whatever the top HD res is?) Has anyone tried pushing the VGA socket hight - any luck?

Cheers,

Andy.


are you on ntl digital or still on analogue? and whats PQ like on footy matches?

as for high def stuff can you not use the hdmi/dvi port?

[Neelix]

For HD content you can use the PC VGA connection as this can obviously support very high resolution. The native resolution for current DLPs is 1280x720 therefore it would be best to set your graphics card to output at this resolution. If you have some WMV-HD content that is 720p then it will be perfect. If you have 1080i content then the tv will scale down the image to fit the native resolution i.e. 720 but it will still look stunning :)

[dapex]

This is all a bit new t me, I have an old Sony 42" rear projection TV whcih I love, then while in Makro I noticed a huge 50" DLP RPTV which didn't look very deep. Now I only know DLP from the PJ world and I know i see rainbows with a DLP PJ.

Will these DLP sets over me much more than my current RPTV?????????

Cheers folks

[Muffminer]

Bonus.

Im recieving delivery of my Tosh week today on 29th December form Empire. I got their last one in stock too will give a review once recieved and played around with.

[dbisping]

Bonus.

Im recieving delivery of my Tosh week today on 29th December form Empire. I got their last one in stock too will give a review once recieved and played around with.

GRRRR, The Finance paperwork would have got to them today so was expecting a call from them today/tomorrow about delievery on mine, I hope I don't have to wait too long ;)

Dave...

[Muffminer]

GRRRR, The Finance paperwork would have got to them today so was expecting a call from them today/tomorrow about delievery on mine, I hope I don't have to wait too long ;)

Dave...


I took finance through them too, took about 4 days for them to get it and give me a call. They said they would have stock in about 10-14 days.

[dbisping]

I took finance through them too, took about 4 days for them to get it and give me a call. They said they would have stock in about 10-14 days.

Oh well, sounds like well into new year then, can't be helped, I wonder if they have had a run on then :),

Dave...

[pantages]

A retailer friend tells me the Toshiba is already a best-seller and demand is exceeding supply. It seems it is selling on picture quality alone and i can quite believe it because that is what made me buy one. Last night I ran a selection of DVD's with progressive scan, PAL and NTSC, films old and new, and they all looked stunning! On DVD I never once saw the rainbow effect although I have seen it on broadcast tv but it is not a serious issue and no-one else in the house has seen it. All in all, a great tv and fantastic value.

[Alain75]

Did anybody tried using the Toshiba with the DVI output of a PC's graphic card on the HDMI input ? Seems that it does not work well on the US model, what about the European one ?

[Charlie999]

We've had the 46" DLP Toshiba for a few days now. It is incredible. I rate it just as good as a 42" Sony Plasma I saw a few days ago with a true HDTV feed, and better than even the latest Sharp LCD's both of which cost over £5,000.

Installation was pretty easy - though the flat packed cabinet took nearly 2 hours to build (though I guess I could now do another one in 30 mins).

The set is about 15" deep - and looks magnificent on its cabinet - which has sufficient space for SKY+, DVD/HD Recorder, SVHS Video and an X-Box to sit comfortably.

The whole set up is incredibly tidy and neat - and the room actually looks bigger without the old deep 28" CRT and jungle of cables and boxes.

Picture quality is of course always limited by the source, but for example Spiderman recorded via SKY+ just looks incredible. However, I wanted to take this TV to its limits - as the main reason I got it is for its HDTV potential.

The only HDTV sources I have are on PC. Whilst these are only HDTV camera demos, my own Digital Stills and some games, the quality that the Tosh displayed was quite simply amazing.

Its as good as any PC Monitor I've used.

In comparison the X-Box looked dire - though that will be because of the way its currently hooked up - I'll look into improving this.

The sound is so good, that my old dolby seperates are now in the loft. I may look to buy something more modern for full surround, but the sound the TV is currently putting out put my old system to shame.

The only issue with the Tosh is viewing angles. Its perfectly O.K. in the horizontal plane with a wide angle of view that competes well with Plasma - but vertically its not so good. If you're close to the set and looking sharply down - there is a noticeable loss of brightness. However - this would not be an issue in most houses - providing you dont want to watch the TV from upstairs.

Overall I'm completely delighted with the Tosh DLP and so are the wife and kids.

Roll on SKY HDTV. We can't wait.

[whiteswan]

Wow

Since I started this thread (and got the bloody size of the tv wrong!) - it has blossomed hasnt it.

Had the set about 5-6 weeks now I think................still very pleased with it.

XBOX with hi def kit - giving hi def gaming - is superb - even playing divx and dvd's with the hi def kit gives superb results.

Sky Plus via rgb - again excellent given the limitations of the source.

PC via pc port - xga quality is really very very good - like somebody says above as good as any pc monitor.

BUT Pc via DVI to HDMI cable I cant get to work - well i did once but the pic looked terrible! I am sure its just because I am a novice with HTPC and dont know how to set it up properly - so anybody local to Manchester/Oldham want to come and show me the finer points of powerstrip etc?

Overall - best purchase I have made all year!

Well chuffed (and no problems with NTSC material.....sorry couldn't resist!)

Dave, Oldham.

BTW MERRY XMAS ALL OF YOU !

[Charlie999]

Dave,

Well thanks to you and others that have posted about this really great piece of kit, you've saved me over £4,000.

I have spent many months looking and waiting for something that would do this. I thought I'd have to wait another year till prices came down and technology improved.

What do I have to do to upgrade my X-Box?

Whereabouts in Oldham do you live?

I know the place very well.

I was born at Boundary Park - and used to go and see the Latics from the age of 7

[whiteswan]

Like you I had my eye on a huge plasma - but apart from the hang on the wall factor this tv blows away all the plasmas I have looked at.

I am in Chadderton - about 5 mins from Boundary Park.

If anybody could help me with PC DVI -HDMI connection I would be grateful.

Thanks

Dave, Oldham.

[suprsizme]

Has anybody tried the 46" Tosh DLP with an up-scaling DVD player?

I saw the Tosh on display at the "What Hi-Fi" Show in London back in November and it looked absolutley superb.

It was showing a HD source via the PC input and I was wondering if anybody has seen what the pic quality is like using an up-scaling DVD player via the HDMI input.

I am looking at buying one of these (or the 52" when avaliable) real soon!

Any insight or info would be greatley appreciated, thanks.

[dbisping]

I took finance through them too, took about 4 days for them to get it and give me a call. They said they would have stock in about 10-14 days.

Empire just called, booked in for 5th Jan, new stock just come in he said, kewl pity the poor van driver getting down my cul-de-sac tho :(

Dave...

[Fars]

Excellent thread, can't thank you guys enough for all the info posted about this set.

One question though, can anyone give me the physical footprint of the set. I believe I read 15" deep and I know the set with speakers and the stand itself is 118cm or 46" wide.

Odd question I know, just want to see how it would fit on an Alphanson AD3/105.

Regards,

[pantages]

It sits comfortably on my Alphason AD3/93 but I have mounted the tv on its own stand which is included in the price.

[Carl_Docklands]

suprsizme i posted some basic info here:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169872&page=2

If you need any specific information pm me or ask herein :D

[dbisping]

suprsizme i posted some basic info here:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169872&page=2

If you need any specific information pm me or ask herein :D

Carl,

looking at the Samsung DVD player is it easy to Region free it ?, was considering the Pansonic S97EBS which seems to available as RF

Dave...

[Carl_Docklands]

Yes it is easy, the code is on the Samsung deck thread in the DVD Players section of this forum :)

[dbisping]

Yes it is easy, the code is on the Samsung deck thread in the DVD Players section of this forum :)

Kewl, will investigate, certainly a cheaper solution than the Panny,

Cheers
Dave...

[dbisping]

Kewl, will investigate, certainly a cheaper solution than the Panny,

Cheers
Dave...

OK now to find a source for one, I went thru the region hack article and found a couple of links, tried them and no sign of the player, will keep looking

Dave...

[phunt]

OK now to find a source for one, I went thru the region hack article and found a couple of links, tried them and no sign of the player, will keep looking

Dave...

Well good luck in finding one lol.Ive been looking for 2 days solid.I ended up ordering one from Pixmania but when i oredered they were quoting 31/12/2004 for stock but i just checked my tracking and its changed to the 10/01/2005 so im seriously considering cancelling and going for the panny S97 which ive seen at £224 with multi region.

[Carl_Docklands]

I got my 945 from here http://www.digiuk.com - does not seem to be on the site anymore though, might be worth a call though :D

[dbisping]

Just got a email back form Digi-UK, They are expecting stock at end of Jan which will fufill outstanding orders, No more stock coming after that so looks like it's going to have to the be the Panny.

This players has not been out long ?, strange to stop a player that seems rather popular ?

Dave...

[phunt]

Just got a email back form Digi-UK, They are expecting stock at end of Jan which will fufill outstanding orders, No more stock coming after that so looks like it's going to have to the be the Panny.

This players has not been out long ?, strange to stop a player that seems rather popular ?

Dave...

Did you not see my post about Pixmania m8? they have them in stock.Or is it the higher price that puts you off them.

[dbisping]

Did you not see my post about Pixmania m8? they have them in stock.Or is it the higher price that puts you off them.

I did and it's the other option I was considering, thanks for the heads up on them

Dave....

[dbisping]

I did and it's the other option I was considering, thanks for the heads up on them

Dave....

Bullet biten, orde