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bazzah
29-09-2004, 4:02 PM
If this has already been asked, then sorry, I couldn't find it being discussed anywhere else. But, I was wondering why we hardly get any Region 2 DVD's in DTS, yet all the same films in th US are in DTS. For instance, Star Wars Trilogy in the US is DTS, but we only get DD 5.1! :mad:
It also works the other way, too. The US release of Battle Of Britain only has mono DD, but the UK 2 disc SE has DTS and DD 5.1 :cool: I'm sure there's plenty of other examples.
Steve
For instance, Star Wars Trilogy in the US is DTS, but we only get DD 5.1! :mad:
I think you'll find that statement incorrect. :lesson:
i think there are a few reasons, like:
UK DVD's quite often have about 3 or 4 audio languages on them, leaving no room for a DTS track, which (correct me if i'm wrong) takes up a lot more room than dolby 5.1
DTS is an american, and apparently now japanese standard, not a worldwide one like Dolby.
Many cheap DVD players in the UK don't have a DTS decoder, so you wouldn't actually get any sound if you played the DVD in DTS, so they can't have solely DTS dvd's or they'd hardly sell any! (believe it or not, most people buy those crappy £30 dvd players)
bazzah
29-09-2004, 5:27 PM
I understand that we have many more languages, taking up more room on the disc, as Region 2 has several languages. But as for cheap DVD players, I would rather have an option of DTS or DD 5.1, so if you don't have DTS, you can simply use DD 5.1.
As for the Star Wars Trilogy, the US version does have DTS, and we only have the option of DD 5.1.
Does anyone know of any good sites to import US dvd's from?
As for the Star Wars Trilogy, the US version does have DTS, and we only have the option of DD 5.1.
Does anyone know of any good sites to import US dvd's from?
I have the US R1 Trilogy as do many others on here and I can definately say that it does not have DTS..where you get this from I dont know.
As for US imports..read the sticky here (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85092) :lesson:
No - the US version of the Star Wars Trilogy does NOT have DTS as it is not George Lucas preferred format! but there may well be illegal versions that do contain it.
As for DTS dvds on R2 UK I beleive that in many cases we get DTS when the R1 US do not - some FOX titles for example (such as League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) - its just a case of shopping around the different regions
Smurfin
29-09-2004, 7:37 PM
Star Wars is only available in DTS on the dodgy pirates which used to sell for a packet on ebay....and these were mastered from the laserdiscs, which were DD5.1 only. No idea where the DTS track came from, but it certainly isn't Lucasfilm approved:)
I would say a lot of the earlier DVDs region 1 DVDs have DTS when their UK counterparts did not. For example: lethal weapon 1 2 and 3, Die Hard 3, Point Break, the X Files fight the Future, Reservoir Dogs.
However now there seems to be more new UK region 2 DTS DVDs being released when region 1 only gets Dolby Digital. For example: underworld, Terminator 3, and as was previously mentioned the league of extraordinary Gentlemen.
YOU MAY FIND THAT south east asia & japan do even better when it comes to DTS!
bazzah
29-09-2004, 8:21 PM
Must have been dodgy copies of Star Wars on Ebay I was looking at then?! :nono:
Can you post that sticky again for me LDR - just opens up this thread for me!
I quite often have a look at the American DVD market to see what is coming out soon in the UK on DVD, and I have noticed that with most recent films, the majority are in DTS. I didn't know if it was just because when it comes to films, we seem to get everything a lot later than everyone else, or if there wasn't a large demand by consumers for DTS. I'll just go back in my hole now and keep quiet! :blush:
phelings
29-09-2004, 9:38 PM
Japan release lots and lots of stuff in DTS.
The Lethal Weapon series was one of the earliest dual DTS/DD releases.Up to that point DTS dvd's were strictly no extras and usually pro-logic but no DD.However,Warner Brothers abandoned DTS after that as they found no real difference between DTS and DD and felt no need to use DTS on their dvd's,which continues up to this day...I think
FoxyMulder
29-09-2004, 11:49 PM
Titles distributed by Warners still contain DTS if the director or producing company ask for it, True Romance and Robin Hood - Prince of Thieves being just 2 examples which spring to mind, Warners concluded no difference but then again they used the exact identical sound mix so there aint gonna be a huge difference ( more subtle )
DTS and Dolby have both been voted as the mandatory sound formats for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD when they arrive as well as MLP 2 channel.
DTS ++ and Dolby Digital + are both going to be used for the new high definition formats, DTS will be lossless and Dolby Digital Plus will allow for upto 6mb/s for sound only but from my understanding new decoders and equipment will not be needed to play them and DTS lossless will be backward compatible, if your decoder can't play it then you will still be able to listen to it as traditional DTS and probably 1.5mb/s full bitrate ( not sure though )
dts on r2 release has really picked up over the last 2 years, now most dvds feature them. Fox are including it are most of there dvds these days and have re-released a few with dts, ie x-men, ID4.
Family Guy
30-09-2004, 4:31 PM
Not to mention the majority of Disney DVD's released here have dts whilst the R1 versions don't...Lion King, Monsters Inc, Treasure Planet, Lilo & Stitch to name but a few...
phelings
30-09-2004, 8:56 PM
Although there are quite a few UK discs coming out with DTS,I don't think its fairl to say "most" have it.They may well do if you only buy recent releases of new films.
There is an awful lot of DTS snobbery(and stupidity).In Japan they are re-releasing shedloads of movies simply to add a DTS track to it(and Movietyme charge around £27 for the ones they import).But really,is it worth it for an extras free disc just to have a soundtrack that if truth be told,you would not even know which was DD and which was DTS if you had them side by side,let alone as a standalone track.
I love my DTS cd's,and Bohemial Rhapsody in DTS on the Queen DVD's is a real spine tingler,but I think if there was a DD equivalent,it would be difficult to tell them apart.The Anchor Bay release of the 70's Amicus films even had a DTS track for them.And like DD remixes of old mono stuff,the results were only adequate.Personally,if you pay £27 for a dvd you already have simply to get a DTS track,you are a mug.And a DTS snob.(You can just see it up the pub;"Oh yes,I rebought Jurassic Park from Japan-its DTS")
Family Guy
30-09-2004, 9:48 PM
Although there are quite a few UK discs coming out with DTS,I don't think its fairl to say "most" have it.They may well do if you only buy recent releases of new films.
There is an awful lot of DTS snobbery(and stupidity).In Japan they are re-releasing shedloads of movies simply to add a DTS track to it(and Movietyme charge around £27 for the ones they import).But really,is it worth it for an extras free disc just to have a soundtrack that if truth be told,you would not even know which was DD and which was DTS if you had them side by side,let alone as a standalone track.
I love my DTS cd's,and Bohemial Rhapsody in DTS on the Queen DVD's is a real spine tingler,but I think if there was a DD equivalent,it would be difficult to tell them apart.The Anchor Bay release of the 70's Amicus films even had a DTS track for them.And like DD remixes of old mono stuff,the results were only adequate.Personally,if you pay £27 for a dvd you already have simply to get a DTS track,you are a mug.And a DTS snob.(You can just see it up the pub;"Oh yes,I rebought Jurassic Park from Japan-its DTS")
WOW!!! I can't believe I didn't write that... ;)
(Do a search for my threads mate with dts in the title...I invented the word dts fanboy... :grin: )
Mark Haywood
30-09-2004, 10:06 PM
But really,is it worth it for an extras free disc...
It's quite possible to have both dts (even 1509Kbps), Dolby Digital tracks... and extras on one disc!
Personally,if you pay £27 for a dvd you already have simply to get a DTS track,you are a mug.And a DTS snob.(You can just see it up the pub;"Oh yes,I rebought Jurassic Park from Japan-its DTS")
I disagree with the suggestion that people are mugs just because they buy a DVD they want with a dts track. Jurassic Park from Japan not only has dts, but it's also a Superbit title and is worth more on the second hand market than when it was available new, so anybody that bought that DVD is hardly a mug. ;)
magicmushrooms
01-10-2004, 12:56 PM
WOW!!! I can't believe I didn't write that... ;)
(Do a search for my threads mate with dts in the title...I invented the word dts fanboy... :grin: )
I have to say that I find the term "DTS fanboy" offensive. I think if a person finds one sound format more enjoyable than the other and prefers to buy a DVD version that includes DTS rather than their bog standard DD local region , to get more enjoyment out of the DVD, then who are you or anybody else who uses the term, to label us with derogatory names that is intended as a slur.
Although there are quite a few UK discs coming out with DTS,I don't think its fairl to say "most" have it.They may well do if you only buy recent releases of new films.
There is an awful lot of DTS snobbery(and stupidity).In Japan they are re-releasing shedloads of movies simply to add a DTS track to it(and Movietyme charge around £27 for the ones they import).But really,is it worth it for an extras free disc just to have a soundtrack that if truth be told,you would not even know which was DD and which was DTS if you had them side by side,let alone as a standalone track.
I love my DTS cd's,and Bohemial Rhapsody in DTS on the Queen DVD's is a real spine tingler,but I think if there was a DD equivalent,it would be difficult to tell them apart.The Anchor Bay release of the 70's Amicus films even had a DTS track for them.And like DD remixes of old mono stuff,the results were only adequate.Personally,if you pay £27 for a dvd you already have simply to get a DTS track,you are a mug.And a DTS snob.(You can just see it up the pub;"Oh yes,I rebought Jurassic Park from Japan-its DTS")
I think the only snobbery comes from those who claim Dolby Digital is an equal of DTS. This board seems to have a small core of "Dolby Digital fans" who consistently insult DTS fans just for liking what their ears prefer to listen to during the movie.
I appreciate Dolby Digital but I have never been WOWED, I've become increasingly impressed with newer releases but never to the same degree as DTS. Why should I put up with insulting comments for liking something that generally sounds at worst the same or a little better, while at best can be phenomenally better!
Personally, I hate paying extra money to get a DVD with DTS but would only do so(or upgrade ) with the films that are going to appreciate it the most i e action/War/sci-fi films.
What do you do when you are unimpressed with one of your favourite films soundtracks? I felt completely disappointed by Aliens, so much so that I picked up the Japanese version with DTS. Am I a mug for wanting the best possible sound on such a a classic movie? I don't think so. Did I pay too much for it? Hell yes, but my previous version made me enjoy the film less because its poor Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack.
It always seems that "the DTS hype machine" is the reason why people prefer DTS however, I like to think that because more often than not DTS sounds better. Only more recently did I discover anything about "DTS hype" but my preference, like many others no doubt, was through watching DVDs and being impressed by what I heard.
Family Guy
01-10-2004, 1:43 PM
think the only snobbery comes from those who claim Dolby Digital is an equal of DTS. This board seems to have a small core of "Dolby Digital fans" who consistently insult DTS fans just for liking what their ears prefer to listen to during the movie.
So, in effect, you are saying that you are allowed to say that dts is better than Dolby Digital but we aren't allowed to disagree because YOU say it is...correct?
Show me one hint of proof (a link will do) that has some form of scientific analysis that, at the end STATES that dts IS BETTER than Dolby Digital, and I'll show you at least 5 that say it isn't...
Geez, I only came on here to point people in the direction of R2 dts movies and what do I get... :rolleyes: ;)
I appreciate Dolby Digital but I have never been WOWED
Heard Empire Strikes Back yet? Kit properly set up and calibrated with a Sound Pressure Level Metre...? ;)
bazzah
01-10-2004, 3:49 PM
I think MagicMushroom was trying to say alot of people 'prefer' DTS sound, and that is their opinion. He was not saying that DD is crap, it's just his personal preference. I have to agree - DD5.1 does sound very good, but is in no way crap. I have just had a better experience with my DTS films.
Here's Army Bloke when you need him??
Dave H
01-10-2004, 4:54 PM
Army bloke is now family guy I think !
Dave
Family Guy
01-10-2004, 5:08 PM
;)
talizker
02-10-2004, 7:38 AM
Getting back to the title - I think it's fair to say with that there is no real pattern as to what region has or doesn't have more DTS soundtracks (although agreed the UK is better now than it was a few years ago). What it comes down to is that if you have a multi-region player and are willing to purchase various region DVD's then you have the widest choice of DTS titles...
Works for me at least :D
magicmushrooms
02-10-2004, 5:58 PM
I think MagicMushroom was trying to say alot of people 'prefer' DTS sound, and that is their opinion. He was not saying that DD is crap, it's just his personal preference. I have to agree - DD5.1 does sound very good, but is in no way crap. I have just had a better experience with my DTS films.
That is it exactly! that and DTS fans should not be insulted for enjoying DTS.
the term "DTS fanboy" and all other forms of abuse on DTS fans should be banned
Family Guy
02-10-2004, 6:21 PM
That is it exactly! that and DTS fans should not be insulted for enjoying DTS.
the term "DTS fanboy" and all other forms of abuse on DTS fans should be banned
If you think the word "fanboy" is abusive, you have seriouse issues mate...
Erling
03-10-2004, 2:29 AM
WOW!!! I can't believe I didn't write that... ;)
(Do a search for my threads mate with dts in the title...I invented the word dts fanboy... :grin: )
You may have invented the word DTS fanboy, but you're DEFINING the word DD fanboy.... ;)
Family Guy
03-10-2004, 9:21 AM
You may have invented the word DTS fanboy, but you're DEFINING the word DD fanboy.... ;)
Quite right to mate. Though, if you read the threads, you'll also see that I say the one isn't better than the other. My point being, dts fanboys will pay extorniate amounts of money (£60 for Jurassic Park!!! It's Jurassic Park for christ sake...)...whereas someone like me will settle for the cheaper (and just as good) Dolby Digital version because we want to watch the film not listen to the soundtrack...
I suppose if I won the lottery and money was no object, I still wouldn't do it because I would have the system that wouldn't show any major differences in the formats...
bazzah
03-10-2004, 11:44 AM
My point being, dts fanboys will pay extorniate amounts of money (£60 for Jurassic Park!!! It's Jurassic Park for christ sake...)...whereas someone like me will settle for the cheaper (and just as good) Dolby Digital version because we want to watch the film not listen to the soundtrack...
I really didn't want to get involved in irrelevant bickering, but I have to ask a question. How much did you spend on all of you audio equipment that you have on your setup? I.e. amps, speakers, players etc. I only ask, because most people on these forums have spent a lot of money on their equipment, to get the best possible sound they can. I know when I am 'watching' a film, 50% of the enjoyment for me is the sound as well, which is why I have spent, for me personally, a lot of money on my audio equipment. If you have personally spent a lot of money on audio equipment, it sounds like you have wasted your money. Well, that is if what you say is true, and you only want to watch the film, not listen to the soundtrack! :god:
Family Guy
03-10-2004, 12:00 PM
I really didn't want to get involved in irrelevant bickering, but I have to ask a question. How much did you spend on all of you audio equipment that you have on your setup? I.e. amps, speakers, players etc. I only ask, because most people on these forums have spent a lot of money on their equipment, to get the best possible sound they can. I know when I am 'watching' a film, 50% of the enjoyment for me is the sound as well, which is why I have spent, for me personally, a lot of money on my audio equipment. If you have personally spent a lot of money on audio equipment, it sounds like you have wasted your money. Well, that is if what you say is true, and you only want to watch the film, not listen to the soundtrack! :god:
Now - let me ask you a question...What is the whole point of having Home Cinema as a hobby?
My take on it is this...to reproduce the sound and picture quality found in high quality cinema's in the home...
Now, when you go the cinema, do you know whether your listening to dts or Dolby Digital...? I can only tell what soundtrack I'm listening to when I go to screen 4 in Crawley UGC, which is THX approved and they play an SDDS track...which they do 9 times out of 10.
If you can tell blindly what track your listening to, you are a better built human being than me...(and be honest about it...)
bazzah
03-10-2004, 12:26 PM
Umm, yes i would agree that with you. But that is my point - we are trying to reproduce the SOUND and vision. Now I'm taking it for granted here that you are not deaf, and you do actually listen to the audio, which is why I was wondering why you said you don’t listen to the soundtrack. You have still failed to answer my question, why spend so much on audio equipment if you don't listen the the movie, and just watch it?
That's all very interesting about your local cinema, but how is this relevant? And you are correct. I would not be able to just listen to a sound track, and tell you what track I am listening to, but I have never implied that I can.
Family Guy
03-10-2004, 12:47 PM
It's relevant about my local cinema because that is what I'm trying to reproduce in my home.(though until there is a domestic version of SDDS that is going to be impossible...)
The movie itself means a whole lot more to me than the soundtrack.
Take the newly released 3 disc Shawshank Redemption. 3 discs, Dolby Digital & DTS sound...fantastic movie.
I have owned the original release of this movie since it was released (R1 Dolby Digital 5.1...). I have recently brought the aforementioned 3 discer...why? Not because it has a dts track but for the extra's. I'm more interested in the actual movie and it's origins and history than I am in it's soundtrack. I'd watch it in mono if that's all that was available.
Lets go back to the cinema thing for a minute...I am not a dts or dolby snob. However, I will prefer to watch a film in screen 4 of this particular multiplex (it has 15 screens) because the screen is huge and the sound is loud and very clear. If a film has several showing times, I will wait until it's shown at this screen because I know I'll enjoy it more.
As for my kit...it's a pretty mid range set up. recently purchased (Last Monday) Denon 3805 amp, Miller & Kreisel speakers, Rel Strata 3 sub, Toshiba 40 inch RPTV...the weak link is the DVD player - a Toshiba SD220. But this is the next planned upgrade...to a Denon 3910. I'm a (part time but soon to be full time) home theatre instal engineer by trade so it's pretty well installed and calibrated. The cables and interconnects are all Monster THX certified cables.
magicmushrooms
04-10-2004, 2:56 PM
When I eventually pick up the shawshank redemption I would not be bothered if this this was a Dolby Digital only disc, but apparently according to your post it has DTS.
On the average drama or the average thriller I'm not going to go all out of my way to buy a DTS version because the soundtrack isn't sufficiently good enough to make it worth my while. But when you're talking about big action movies, with tons of gunfire, explosions and other sound effects DTS is in a league of its own. I love my action movies and I want the best possible sound which DTS provides. Personally, I won't spend £60 on a DVD but on a few rare occasions I have stretched the boat to £25 - £27.
Army bloke/family guy I think it's strange that you haven't bothered to buy a Jurassic Park DTS version when it is currently reasonably priced on region 1. I already own a region 2 Dolby digital version and have just bought a new copy of the DTS version which cost me between £5 and £6! Hardly a fortune, is it? But a worthwhile upgrade.
The soundtrack to me is very important and can raise or lower my enjoyment of a film. The latest Bond movie Die Another Day, not really a great action movie by any stretch of the imagination, is made infinitely more enjoyable by stunning DTS mix. The Dolby Digital mix is by no means poor but in my honest opinion lacks the precision and clarity of its DTS counterpart.
magicmushrooms
04-10-2004, 2:59 PM
If you think the word "fanboy" is abusive, you have seriouse issues mate...
I find the term "DTS fanboy" abusive because when you and others like you use it, you use it in a delibrately derogatory sense. You use it with the implicit intent of an insult, and you know it's true!
Family Guy
04-10-2004, 3:09 PM
I find the term "DTS fanboy" abusive because when you and others like you use it, you use it in a delibrately derogatory sense. You use it with the implicit intent of an insult, and you know it's true!
Think what you like mate... I'm not apologising 'cos I don't think it's an insult. You are the only person here who thinks it is...chip, shoulder? And in regards to your other post...a good soundtrack does not make a bad film good, no matter how you want to look at it. Do you really think Jonathan Ross would have reccomended Van Helsing because it had a dts soundtrack...I don't think so.(I know it hasn't got dts on DVD, I'm using it as an example...)
I can see that you have been captured in the web...if you took half a minute to read any links I have taken the trouble to post in my other threads you'll see you have simply followed the hype and have not really listened to or set up your system correctly...
Even my thread 2 above this about trying to recreate the cinema in the home (hence the term "Home Cinema...") makes more sense than your claim that dts makes action movies sound better...to me mate (and other movie lovers), that's just :rotfl: :rotfl: carry out a search and you'll see for yourself...
phelings
04-10-2004, 10:12 PM
I agree that the term DTS fanboy(and DTS snob which I used) are derogatory.They are aimed at people like Magic Mushrooms who go on about how its ok to spend loads of cash just to get a DTS track,when they could not tell one from the other.Around the time Warner (R1) started releasing dual track discs,Lethal Weapon series;Warner announced that they found no need to continue with DTS as they found no difference.Around this time,a publication-it was on from the What Video people,it was probably HCC,actually printed an in depth article comparing DD with DTS(although I think it was low bitrate DTS)and they gave scientific results(unfortunately I think most came from Dolby)proving there was no difference between the 2.I am constantly surprised at reviews in these magazines that continually mourn the loss of a DTS track after that article was published.
I am fully aware that full bitrate DTS,DD and extras can fit on a dvd,but quite often in the early days,extras were not part of the deal.Its about time one of the magazines actually performed a proper test and had their skilled reviewers listen to different tracks to see if they really can tell the difference without prior knowledge of which track they were listening to.I think the reason this obvious way to end the argument is never done,is because they know as well as I do,what the results would be.
To sum up,DTS and DD both offer excellent sound,and while which is the superior mix varies from film to film,an idea mooted above that the only way to hear the superiority of DTS is to have an expensive sound system shows the fanboys up for what they are.
Having said that,I fall for the hype too.While I don't have time to compare a dvd with both types of sound,if it does offer DTS,thats the one I listen to
Family Guy
05-10-2004, 7:03 AM
Right, that's it then. I'll never ever call anybody else on this forums a "Fanboy..." because it's so insulting and my apologies to anybody who was insulted by this... :rolleyes: (after 23 years in the army, I think I could think of a few words that would have you in tears, let alone fanboy...)
However, now I have apologised, maybe the majority of posters in this (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99983&page=3&pp=15&highlight=dolby+dts) thread should apologise as well....
And for some REAL information on wether dts IS better than DD, take a look at this. (http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/adbarr/page1.html) (in particular the last 2 paragraphs...)
The prosecution rests m'lud... :lesson:
Family Guy - I'd give up if I were you as there is no point having a debate with someone who "has never been wowed by a DD soundtrack" as there's none so blind as those who will not see.
For all of you who worship at the altar of DTS to the exclusion of all false gods, have a listen to the DTS version of Don Henley - Live Inside Job or even The Moody Blues Hall of Fame to hear something truly flat and lifeless, then switch to the DD tracks to hear what it should sound like.
I'm off now to read about how American DVDs with no French writing on the covers sound so much better.......
steve1056
05-10-2004, 7:55 AM
For all of you who worship at the altar of DTS to the exclusion of all false gods, have a listen to the DTS version of Don Henley - Live Inside Job ..... to hear something truly flat and lifeless, then switch to the DD tracks to hear what it should sound like.
Nothing wrong with the DTS soundtrack on my set up and with my R2 disc. Nothing wrong with the DD track either. They do sound slightly different in the bass region, but both tracks are clear, dynamic and certainly not lifeless.
Racquel Darrian
05-10-2004, 8:14 AM
...I'm off now to read about how American DVDs with no French writing on the covers sound so much better.......
But don't you know DVDs with Japanese writing on the cover sound best of all? :rotfl:
FoxyMulder
05-10-2004, 10:16 AM
Below are some Dolby and DTS articles.
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/motion_picture/interviews.html
http://www.dtsonline.com/media/uploads/pdfs/dtsposition.pdf
http://www.dtsonline.com/media/uploads/pdfs/dolbyrvu.pdf
Is it just me or is this debate getting a little tiring ?
Full bitrate DTS does have a slight edge on Dolby at 448kb/s as its frequency response extends to 22KHZ and it uses less compression ( Dolby at 448kb/s extends to 20KHZ and uses more compression )
Most DTS discs are now halfbitrate so the advantages between DTS and Dolby are now non-existent if the same mix is used for each ( NOTE I SAY HALF BITRATE DTS AND SAME MIX - FULLBITRATE IS SUPERIOR IN MY OPINION )
Both formats can sound superb, all depends on the sound mixer for the DVD version, i have found in the past that certain titles with DTS have often been mixed more aggressively, ( Blade 2 is a soundtrack where the mix is almost identical but the Dolby bass has been sweetened and is stronger in the nightclub scene ) which is probably why i like the DTS format but the codecs ( as far as halfbitrate DTS and 448kb/s Dolby) are not what makes the most difference its the sound mix which makes all the difference.
So my conclusion is that Fullbitrate DTS is superior to 448kb/s Dolby but halfbitrate DTS and 448kb/s Dolby can sound identical when the same mix is used.
magicmushrooms
05-10-2004, 2:54 PM
On very rare occasions I have spent a maximum of £27 which I hated to do. I don't have a lot of money and the majority of DVDs that I have purchased have cost me £10 or less. I resent paying a lot of money for a DVD and as such most of the time for the last five months I have only paid about £5 - £6 per movie for dozens and dozens of movies , or as low as £2.39.
When I'm looking for a movie on DVD I try to find out if there is a DTS version. My first choice is always UK region 2 and if there's no DTS here then I check globally. There is usually somewhere in the world that has a DTS mix. Only three times have I spent over £20 on one movie, two of those were because it had DTS and one because it was an uncut version not available anywhere else in the world.
I am the first to admit that I love DTS but if the price isn't right I will leave it...I WON'T HAVE DTS AT ANY COST,SOMETIMES I SETTLE FOR VANILLA DD. Maybe DTS isn't always the best but I'd bet more than nine times out of 10 it's better than its Dolby digital counterpart.
I can't believe that you can say Jurassic Park, Die Another Day, Blade, or Saving Private Ryan are just as good in Dolby Digital.... I ccould list other DVDs which I think sound better in DTS but what is the point.
I think I could pass a blind test stating which is DTS but the test would have to be performed on certain parts of the movie, the parts where it sounds at its best. Obviously certain movies would be harder than others like I would struggle on the two towers but lots of movies that I have compared myself, I believe I could pass.
phelings
05-10-2004, 3:06 PM
This argument does seem to have reached its natural conclusion.I understand what you say MM,but until a magazine does do a test the way I described,we shall just have to take their word,and yours for it.
BTW,where do you get top dvd's for under £3?Are these new or used?
Family Guy
05-10-2004, 3:18 PM
I think I could pass a blind test stating which is DTS but the test would have to be performed on certain parts of the movie, the parts where it sounds at its best.
Keep digging mate - nearly there!! :grin:
So you seriously think that a dts soundtrack is going to improve a crap script such as DAD?...no wonder you call youreself magicmushrooms!!
Bananas :confused:
huh :confused:
The soundtrack to me is very important and can raise or lower my enjoyment of a film.
I can't believe that you can say Jurassic Park, Die Another Day, Blade, or Saving Private Ryan are just as good in Dolby Digital.
If I was watching in Mono yes, but surely even if there is a difference between DTS & DD it is only a slight one and how this could effect your enjoyment of a movie is a little beyond me....... :confused:
On a previous thread they were comparing the difference between the R1 & R2 star wars trilogy (R1 & R2 another never ending debate... :laugh: ). The guy who was comparing had watched the R2 then a couple of days later watched the R1 version. He admitted that he did notice differences in picture quality and sound only to find that when he ejected the disc he had put the R2 back in by mistake. I think it proves that in alot of cases if you believe something to be superior you will convince yourself that it is, even if its not......... :lesson:
I think I could pass a blind test stating which is DTS but the test would have to be performed on certain parts of the movie, the parts where it sounds at its best. Obviously certain movies would be harder than others like I would struggle on the two towers but lots of movies that I have compared myself, I believe I could pass.
So I think family guy is right..........Keep digging....... :grin:
And for the record I buy a movie for the movie, many are impulse buys and wether it has DTS or DD is not important, I love them both... :thumbsup:
FoxyMulder
12-10-2004, 12:31 PM
Many might argue its more PAL speedup that can be noticed with Region 1 vs Region2 releases ( if you have watched a movie many times that is )
Well, I normally watch films in DD as mostly I find DTS too harsh and in my face, but last night I put on Iron Maiden - Rock In Rio. The DTS track on this is so much better than the DD track, on DD it sounded absolutely dreadful whereas on DTS it was far more musical and you could hear the individual instruments better. I'm not discounting the fact that this could be a setup problem, as I really haven't got to grips with my Denon 3805 yet !
Family Guy
15-10-2004, 8:10 AM
Denon 3805 - best amp I've ever owned - bar none. (and I've owned a few...!!)
It seems to give every soundtrack a new lease of life IMO...paired up with Miller & Kreisel speakers, this really is the dogs danglies of an amp.
I watched From Hell the other night - a film I must have watched 10 times in the past. It was like watching it for the first time. The problem is, I think it's that good, I'm starting to hear Pal speedup... :god:
Got The Day After tomorrow and Hidalgo to watch this weekend. Both pal. Both have dts soundtracks. Will watch one them both in dts and report back here Monday with the results.
I also have a few R1 discs with dts tracks to catch up on - Jurassic Park 1 & 2 most notably...report to follow.
And, to those of you that know me, you'll know that if I'm wrong, I'll admit it...so if I am, watch this space Monday to watch me eat humble pie...
However, still no way I'm admitting a dts track makes a crap movie good... :rotfl: :rotfl:
bom bom
15-10-2004, 12:24 PM
I also have a few R1 discs with dts tracks to catch up on - Jurassic Park 1 & 2 most notably...report to follow.
And, to those of you that know me, you'll know that if I'm wrong, I'll admit it...so if I am, watch this space Monday to watch me eat humble pie...
However, still no way I'm admitting a dts track makes a crap movie good... :rotfl: :rotfl:
You should notice the difference with Jurassic Park by only watching the first five minutes of Dolby Digital verses the first five minutes of DTS, the difference is staggering!
last night I put on Iron Maiden - Rock In Rio. The DTS track on this is so much better than the DD track, on DD it sounded absolutely dreadful whereas on DTS it was far more musical
DTS is clearly streets ahead, if it can make Iron Maiden sound musical..... ;)
Family Guy
15-10-2004, 6:35 PM
You should notice the difference with Jurassic Park by only watching the first five minutes of Dolby Digital verses the first five minutes of DTS, the difference is staggering!
Interesting comment - if dts is so much better than DD, then why won't it make the other 2 sound better as well...?
bom bom
26-10-2004, 12:49 PM
I also have a few R1 discs with dts tracks to catch up on - Jurassic Park 1 & 2 most notably...report to follow.
And, to those of you that know me, you'll know that if I'm wrong, I'll admit it...so if I am, watch this space Monday to watch me eat humble pie...
well Isn't it about time you reported back on this thread? I'm waiting for you to eat humble pie. :laugh:
I have to admit that I viewed the first five minutes in Dolby Digital again and was thinking oh my God there isn't much difference, but after putting in the DTS disc of Jurassic Park it truly was noticeable.
dvdmike007
26-10-2004, 12:55 PM
there is no better there is well mixed and badly mixed and this can happen on the same title
Family Guy
26-10-2004, 2:00 PM
I don't think I can comment TBH...my Jurassic Park disc is from the dodgy batch so the bass will be inbalanced over the disc.
As for The Day After Tomorrow...well, I listened to the dts track and it sounded like a well mixed track to me...but no better than the dts.
I also watched Hidalgo and there was absolutly no difference between the mixes - they were both pretty poor.
I also watched troy at the weekend (DD only) and fell asleep... :boring: