They are going to kill 3D

vader100 · 29-07-2010, 12:55 PM

The distribution agencies and film companies really have no clue of how the real world is. First they start post production 3D which is not a patch on True 3D and this puts people off it.

For the home market content is king. If you have no product to watch why will people buy the equipment to watch it?

Latest bit of news, new content:- Blu-ray.com - Warner Announces Trio of 3D Blu-ray Titles, Bundled with LG, Sony Gear

It's another ****ing EXCLUSIVITY DEAL.

Rich G · 29-07-2010, 3:00 PM

Don't get mad, theres always ebay

I couldn't agree with you more, alot of my friends ask me what movies can you buy in 3D? they laugh when I tell them 1.

As for ebay, I was having a quick scan to see what was available and found a Panasonic 3D demo disc going for over £50

its a demo disc

vader100 · 29-07-2010, 4:01 PM

Saw Coraline at £90!!!

dtrjones · 29-07-2010, 10:22 PM

This was always bound to happen, 3D movies will be slow initially and the major manufactorers are going to monopolise this for a short period.

The issue isn't the lack of 3D movies though as this will soon change. 20+ 3D movies will be released in 2010, another 30+ in 2011 and a lot more in 2012.

The real issue for me is that these movies will compete (and miserably so) with there 2D counterparts for shelf space. Many movies will not even reach your local store and it's going to be 12 months at least before you start to see a regular stand showing 3D movies of any great number in say HMV even though there will be 30-40 3D movies released by then.

Cheers,
Dave.

vader100 · 30-07-2010, 7:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dtrjones

This was always bound to happen, 3D movies will be slow initially and the major manufactorers are going to monopolise this for a short period.

The issue isn't the lack of 3D movies though as this will soon change. 20+ 3D movies will be released in 2010, another 30+ in 2011 and a lot more in 2012.

The real issue for me is that these movies will compete (and miserably so) with there 2D counterparts for shelf space. Many movies will not even reach your local store and it's going to be 12 months at least before you start to see a regular stand showing 3D movies of any great number in say HMV even though there will be 30-40 3D movies released by then.

Cheers,
Dave.

What are the 20 or so releases this year? I count two possibly 3 on general release with only Monster House, Open Season and Toy Story 3 (which is **** poor 3D anyway) for later this year.

http://www.3dmovielist.com/list.html

There would be a few more if it wasn't for these stupid exclusivity deals. They didn't do it with DVD or Bluray
so why with 3D?

richard plumb · 30-07-2010, 9:06 AM

I'm sure they'll be timed exclusives, so all those titles will be out generally fairly soon

mike7 · 30-07-2010, 9:50 AM

The arguement for lack of releases of 3D films was that, "Well, Blu-ray was expensive when it first appeared and slow to take off" so with 3D we can expect the same. Well ,it is now 8 months since 3D TVs started to appear on the shelves. I don't see our local HMV selling any titles at all. What 3D there is on Blu-ray is only available at high prices on the Web, usually as imports. The titles are almost entirely limited to animation or releases of old IMAX material. Just how many times can you watch 'Monsters v Aliens' especially if you are over 6?

As far as the cinema is concerned, which is where future Blu-rays are going to come from, there is a slow output of even more animation plus a couple of low budget dance movies. OK there are a few real acted films in the pipeline, like the next 'Pirates of the Carribean' and possibly 'Spiderman', but for the most part film producers are steering clear. It is expensive to produce. Set-ups like background and lighting have to be a lot more precise and it's more time consuming than a conventional film. Unless it is a guaranteed block buster it is not going to be worth the effort and expense. 3D does attract the customers to cinema, but not as much as it did. People would flock to see the latest Toy Story whether it was 3D or not. Lets face it the latest Bond movie was dropped through lack of finance so there obviously isn't a lot of money going spare in the film industry, 3D or otherwise.

As for broadcast TV material I have heard of mixed reactions to Sky HD particularly in relation to sport. The quality of the picture is sacrificed slightly in order to broadcast the 3D image relatively cheaply. I'm not anti-3D, but clearly it does not make economic sense at the present time and with the present technology. I'm not aware of any of our cash-strapped broadcast services taking much of an interest. They have enough trouble trying to stay afloat with HD. I think the only winners are games players and I hope the games producers keep up with the demand. I really think that 3D in any sort of volume is a long way down the line and probably will come with newer technology. I'm willing to buy a hat in order to eat it later on if I have to!.

vader100 · 30-07-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mike7

I really think that 3D in any sort of volume is a long way down the line and probably will come with newer technology. I'm willing to buy a hat in order to eat it later on if I have to!.

If they carry on charging extra at the cinema for below standard, tacked on 3D then it is not going to grow because the trends show already that 3D percentages are dropping.

If they keep making the Blurays exclusive it is not going to grow. If it is not available soon in growing quantities it isn't going to going to have a "further down the line".

mike7 · 30-07-2010, 5:40 PM

Good point. A cinema manager told me that most cinemas recouped the cost of installing 3D gear from the receipts from Avatar. Anything else is going to be a bonus. A lot of people still chose to see the ordinary version of the film even when 3D is available on the screen next door. I wonder why that is.

In its previous lives 3D was about trying to lure people away from TV. This time the technology is better and, to a limited extent and at a price it can be duplicated in the home. Looking at a list of forthcoming 3D movies it seems that re-hashing old material is very much to the fore. Turning previously released animated productions into 3D is obviously cheaper than producing new material. Also productions like Harry Potter that rely heavily on CGI can be re-hashed at a low cost. There needs to be a bigger commitment by film companies if 3D is to have a long life this time round. Of course people will flock to see 'Pirates' or 'Spiderman', but it needs more than this to retain interest. These limited releases of Blu-ray are to sell TVs, not 3D.

dllord · 30-07-2010, 5:54 PM

I only found out that the new alice in wonderland movie isn't proper 3D the otherday, havnt seen it yet and was looking forward to seeing on 3D bluray but i dont think i'll bother now.

If anything can save 3D movies it'll be transformers 3 3D as iv heard its being filmed in 3D right now!

vader100 · 30-07-2010, 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dllord

I only found out that the new alice in wonderland movie isn't proper 3D the otherday, havnt seen it yet and was looking forward to seeing on 3D bluray but i dont think i'll bother now.

If anything can save 3D movies it'll be transformers 3 3D as iv heard its being filmed in 3D right now!

That's ok, they are not even bothering to release it in 3D.
Alice in Wonderland Blu-ray

vader100 · 12-08-2010, 4:38 PM

And now they are doing it with How To Train Your Dragon

Blu-ray.com - Samsung 3D Blu-ray Exclusives: How to Train Your Dragon, Shrek Movies, IMAX

mike7 · 12-08-2010, 5:02 PM

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Originally Posted by vader100

And now they are doing it with How To Train Your Dragon

Blu-ray.com - Samsung 3D Blu-ray Exclusives: How to Train Your Dragon, Shrek Movies, IMAX

Interesting to read the Forum attached to this link. Even our American friends have a market that is seemingly devoid of any Blu Ray 3D releases of note. Titles that are being snapped up and released are exclusively used as marketing tools by the equipment manufacturers.

richard plumb · 13-08-2010, 7:57 AM

the stupid thing is it backfires on everyone. Samsung will have it in their new 'starter packs' where you get two pairs of glasses and a free movie. So if you are a Sony/Panasonic owner you are stuffed.

But if you're a Samsung owner who already has glasses, you're also stuffed!

Its ridiculous - there are so few actual movies in 3D the studios should be insisting on releasing them at retail - it costs pennies to author these days. Mail order only if necessary.

Maybe samsung/sony etc can have the only ones in bundles - free is still free. But exclusive is stupid. Are they really expecting people to buy a samsung TV instead of a panasonic one because of one movie?

dllord · 13-08-2010, 6:42 PM

I just hope when the PS3 gets its 3D update there will be something out there for me to buy!

vader100 · 01-09-2010, 6:36 PM

Bunch of ****ing clowns.

Report: Avatar 3D Blu-ray Exclusive for Panasonic in December; Sony Gets Alice

Turb007 · 01-09-2010, 8:05 PM

lol and next year they'll be moaning about all the piracy on 3D

vader100 · 03-09-2010, 9:01 AM

Panasonic are apparently "working out a scheme" to allow early adopters a chance to get the 3D Avatar.

Confirmed: Avatar 3D Blu-ray Panasonic Exclusive

What about if you bought a BDT300 player?

Chester · 03-09-2010, 9:33 AM

It gets worse. I'm sure I heard that directors don't like shooting in 3D because it seriously limits how they can film footage, particularly with awkward angles, fast camera pans, and quick scene switching. Techniques we're all familiar with in action films to get the energy up, but it doesn't work in 3D.

Then there's budget. The gadget show may have proved that it can be done on a tight budget, but not to commercial standards, and maintaining standards through shooting footage, editing and mastering is still very expensive.

So even before the blu-ray supply chain, I think 3D is dead in the water for film. But the 3D gaming world will probably 'prop up' the TV industry and they may even claw back R&D costs. Long way to go yet, and even the display equipment has well documented issues, so I don't envy early adopters. We've all seen it before with HD so here we go again.

I do come back to the same old question though. Does adding another dimension to the footage, with all of the limits and issues that it brings, where 1 in 6 people in the country simply are unable to see the trick (not to mention vergence problems!) add anything to the enjoyment to the film? Personally I'd rather upgrade my speakers and explore obtaining the better detail that's already on offer from uncompressed sound. There's much more to be had here and I believe very few have heard what blu-ray has to offer here now.

vader100 · 03-09-2010, 9:59 AM

For me to upgrade the sound would cost a lot more money or overwhelm my room. The extra dimension is a new way of exploring film and I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

It's funny how it varies how many people in the country "can't see the effect". You say 1 in 6, I've seen 1 in 9, 1 in 10, damned statistics, you can't trust them.

Turb007 · 03-09-2010, 10:58 AM

Avatar grossed how many billion ? ..make a great film in 3D and it will pay you back tenfold. what they are saying is that people wont pay to watch crap films ..so we are not prepered to add 3D to the cost

Chester · 03-09-2010, 2:06 PM

Yeah, especially when we both have fantastic images (on Pioneer panels). Surely people in our position have to ask the question what quality are they going to sacrifice for a vast majority of their viewing (probably 95%+ currently) to have 3D? I think once the novelty wears off...

richard plumb · 03-09-2010, 3:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chester

It gets worse. I'm sure I heard that directors don't like shooting in 3D because it seriously limits how they can film footage, particularly with awkward angles, fast camera pans, and quick scene switching. Techniques we're all familiar with in action films to get the energy up, but it doesn't work in 3D.

One good point for 3D then, if it cuts down on all the jump cuts and rapid editing on modern movies.

vader100 · 04-09-2010, 6:22 PM

I have had to rethink my appraisal of the 3D marketers as "clowns". No, clowns are rational, normal people compared to this bunch of idiots.

Ice Age 3 and Coraline 3D Blu-ray out - in Panasonic 3D Starter Kit

Blank · 04-09-2010, 10:54 PM

It's been announced Avatar 3D will be a Panasonic exclusive too.

vader100 · 05-09-2010, 1:23 AM

Yes see my earlier post

Blank · 05-09-2010, 1:25 AM

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Originally Posted by vader100

Yes see my earlier post

Whoops, Sorry I read it all but missed that one, even missed it the second read aswell

vader100 · 05-09-2010, 9:46 AM

nbkicker33 · 05-09-2010, 2:56 PM

ive heard that all the shrek 3d blurays will be samsung exclusive this year, plus how to train you dragon will replace monsters vs aliens in the samsung starter pack in october, im wanting a 3d tv this yr, but this pisses me off with exclusives to each panasonic,samsung, at the moment ill wait till closer to xmas to make my decision, even though ill be using ps3 on 3d tv, im not rushing out to buy a tv which i can only get 2 or 3 3d blurays for because i bought a samsung instead of panasonic

Chester · 06-09-2010, 4:23 PM

So what's happening to the films that were exclusive to new manufacturer's players? I take it the studios have an expiry on these deals where after the film becomes general release?

I'm really struggling to see how potential early adopters are going to have any kind of collection to play in the near future, unless of course they buy the players with exclusive deals and then sell the player on; but then to whom? Anyone with one of these players is going to want content, not just a shiny new deck.