thanks Ryart. I'm pleased to hear that they can be made to work in a relatively small room.

It does seem asthough it ight be the A21 that's the problem, ust not damping the speakers properly. I'll see if I can get hold of a beefier power amp to drive them.

I'd like to persevere as they are so close to being superb, if I could get the bottom end controlled.

thanks again,
tom